Damper pedal and decay

I'm not sure if you could do this. Doesn't the damper pedal hold the envelopes at L3 until you release them?

quick reminder )

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Andy

Then must i change the cutoff levels? (if i'm right). What is the parameter that controls the duration and curve of the sound?

I'll have to have a look at how the piano patches are built when I get in tonight, unless someone else answers you first!

It's probably a combination of T3 and T4, but I can't say off the top of my head.

Are you starting from a particular preset? If so, which one?

Andy

Andy, I think you are right here. You can shorten the T3 time in the TVA Env tab and that will shorten the decay time. T4 is release time so it is T3.

karlosserio, if that doesn't work then if you are working with a preset then perhaps give us the patch name as Andy suggested and we can have a look at it.

I've build this sound from scratch from my piano sound library, so it's impossible to share the patch. I've just had this issue with the decay, that i didn't know what parameter controlled. I'll give it a try later today and post the results. Thanks for the help.

Have a look at the TVA envelope levels and times from a couple of the preset piano patches. If you're careful, it should be possible to balance T2 and T3 with L2 and L3 to get a really long delay. You need T4 to be realistically short so the sound dies away promptly when you release the pedal or the key.

This may or may not help. Got the advice from a kind Clan member some time ago. Thread presumably now expired.
I was asking about incorporating fade/decay into the damper pedal on string / brass sounds, as opposed to sustain at constant volume. ...
Not sure if this works for piano patches, but it might set off some ideas....


(Step 1 - 4 you have to do once for your Fantom X, the other setting are ofcourse patch-dependent. )


1- plug your pedal in port (HOLD)
2- press MENU -> System -> (tab) System Ctrl
3- Set "System Ctrl 4" source to "HOLD-1"
4- Press WRITE (red) to save these settings for the future

5- Get the Patch you want to use
6- Press Patch Edit
7- Select "Pro Edit"
8- Select (tab) MISC
9- for ALL tones, set TONE RX HOLD-1 to OFF (this disables the default hold-effect)
10- select (tab) CTRL 4 (could also use 1,2,or 3)
11- on the right, use the following settings:
12- Source: SYSCTRL 4
13- Destination 1 : TVA ENV R-TIME
14- Sense 1 : + 35 (or whatever value you require)
15- Switch 1 : ON (for all tones, but depends on the patch)
16- destination 2, 3, 4 : OFF

Some background info:
I use System Ctrl 4 in this example, but you could very well use one of the other 3 System Controls. A system-control is a mapping to a standard midi-control (like modulation or hold), which you can link to an internal patch-change (like 'release-time'). These mappings are a nice feature because usually you would need system-exclusive messages to change a patch' release-time.

A patch can be controled by 4 system-controls, for instance, modulation changes pitch, hold changes release-time, pitch-bender changes filters, and so on. It's up to you.
All 4 system-controls can control different settings, but you're free to use 2 system-controls to 'listen' to 'Hold' and let the first one change release-time and the second one attack-time. Yesterday evening I figured out this feature and I was thrilled by its potential. When I got my Fantom I was frustrated by the terrible hold-effect but by using stringsounds with a bit of release time built-in, I got over it.

Sorry for the delay on my part, but i hadn't got the time to solve this question before.
After trying some of the TVA; TVF; etc... i've figured that the Patch TVA Env. screen is the one that controls the decay of the sound. You have 4 marks on the screen that show: - inicial point (0); 1st mark; 2nd mark and 3rd mark. You have time and volume settings that you have alter to your taste. I did my patch with a base copy of the "Ultimate Grand" settings and then i went from there on.
Thanks for all the great replies.