Damper pedal and key on dissabling

4 Jul 2009, 18:18

I've just figure how to use the piano pedal [hold function 1 (CC64)] to transmit a multisample when pressed down, but not when a key is pressed. This is good for harmonic ressonance effects in most keyboard sounds (piano, electric piano, etc...). As it does not come with the manual (at least i couldn't find it) here it is:

--------Editor mode-----------
- To cancel note on:

PATCH MATRIX CONTROL
Source: 109 TVA ENV ; Destination: Level (select ON in the desired tone); Sens: -63

- To pedal controling volume of the layer:

PATCH MATRIX CONTROL
Source: CC64 Hold1; Destination: Level (select ON in the desired tone); Sens (to your volume preference).

Any doubt give me a message in this tread.

Re: Damper pedal and key on dissabling

4 Jul 2009, 18:19

In the atachment i send an image of the setting in editor mode.

Re: Damper pedal and key on dissabling

5 Jul 2009, 07:46

I would use this if I had some samples of piano sustain resonance (without the "key-on" portion of the sound).

Do you know is there any such samples on the net? But anyway thanks for the advice.

Re: Damper pedal and key on dissabling

5 Jul 2009, 08:41

http://linuxsampler.org/instruments.html

Maestro Concert Grand

It's a free suplied piano sample in giga format, wich you could convert using extreme sampler or chicken systems translator. It as 5 dynamic layers, but... my advice would be to choose 2 or even 1 layer with good ressonance and hammer noise (p and mf ), and then add the release samples in a different layer. Oh, and don't forget you have to make your multisamples and assign the sample material.

Re: Damper pedal and key on dissabling

5 Jul 2009, 13:03

http://sonart.cc/shop/product_info.php?products_id=210

Yamaha Grand Free

Re: Damper pedal and key on dissabling

11 Jul 2009, 16:52

Can't you use the Sympathetic Resonance effect? I know I've seen this used somewhere before, was it the Fantom G? I can't remember right now, my brain isn't working so much today....I'll let you know if I remember or figure it out.

Re: Damper pedal and key on dissabling

13 Jul 2009, 15:45

Yes you can use the Sympathetic Ressonance Effect. This effect is what makes the Fantom X diferent and more usable for piano samples, since you can emulate the harmonic ressonance without extra layers. The question is i've tried this and the harmonic layers of a piano and what i've determined is the only problem you can't reproduce the algorithm responsible for telling the machine wich harmonics should sound; if not you just get a harmonic per key, wich is not what you want in a real piano.
Either way, trying is learning and i shared the programing for such layers since it may interest in the context of key related sounds.