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Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fantom

Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fantom

30 Jul 2007, 10:45
Hello Clan,

Is there a gadget, device, controller, anything out there with physical knobs or sliders that I can use for my Fantom X Keyboard to tweak FX's, Filters, Parameters etc... The Fantom X Keyboard series is great but I think it lacks more physical control of knobs or sliders for Tweaking or for RealTime control like the V-Synth.

I know the Fantom X is more of a Workstation type Keyboard than an Analog Synthesizer but considering all of the Fantom X's capabilities and sculpturing with its Sound Engine I thought it could of had more physical knobs or sliders instead of going to the menu to change parameters or effects here and there.

Example, the MFX1 05: Super Filter has 11 different parameter values to tweak which only 4 can be tweaked with the 4 knobs. Is there anything out there in the market (except buying a V-Synth) to accomplish more tweaking or realtime control. Thank you all for any input or ideas. Mike

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

30 Jul 2007, 11:17
Lots of things can be connected to your fantom X.

I use a behringer bcr2000 to control several things on the fantom. You might encounter some limitation sometimes but the fantom is very flexible in most aspects.

I usually control 4-5 various parameters on a patch using knobs. The mod matrix is good to assign various CCs to parameters. Otherwise you can read up on the fantom midi implementation in the manual and find what data you have to send to it.

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

30 Jul 2007, 11:32
xonox,

I checked the Behringer website and it sounds cool. How and what have you controlled in your Fantom with the behringer bcr2000 if you don't mind me asking. I'm curious as how it works with your Fantom.

BCR2000 and RPS

30 Jul 2007, 12:24
xonox,

Could you tell me if it works ok with the remote keyboard switch turned on as well. I am curious if you can manipulate individual volume sliders while in Mixer Mode with an external MIDI controller such as the BCR2000. I am sure you can assign different controller numbers to different elements of the various patches in a performance. What I want to see is if you can independently manipulate the 16 volume sliders in Mixer Mode using your BCR2000.

Thanks.

Howard

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

1 Aug 2007, 11:39
halo7 : if i remember right, i used the knobs on the bcr2000 to control the filter cutoff and resonance of the fantom X.

Lately i have been using the knobs to control any parameter that shows up in the modulation matrix screen of the Fantom. One of the modulation sources can be a midi controller of your choice.

I've been using it to vary the filter cutoff of only onw of the two filters in a patch. You can also control the real time timestretching via a knob, some envelope parameters and many other things.

There are many other knob or fader boxes on the market. The bcr2000 is kinda low-end. Some more expensive devices might be better. I find the knob feel on the bcr to be not very nice. I really like the bcr but i think some other brands might be more luxurious.

HowardS : I have never tried this and i can't try it these days as my whole studio is packed up in boxes. I moved a short while ago and it might take some time before my studio is ready again...

If you can record the volume sliders movement in the fantom sequencer, look up in the microscope which kind of events. If it shows up as sysex, it might require some effort. I am not sure the bcr 2000 really supports sending sysex data. Higher end knob boxes might be the way to go but i do not know enough about other devices of this kind.

I don't mind any questions, anyone feel free to ask more.
xonox, Thank you for the reply. I'm going to check some of these boxes out. I really appreciate your input. Mike.

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

2 Aug 2007, 19:32
Now that's what I'm talking about. !!!ROLAND!!! lets get it into production ;-}

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

2 Aug 2007, 20:01
Very Cool!

Please elaborate on the control interface strategy with the two Kaoss pads. The cash is buring a hole through my pocket.


Mark

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

2 Aug 2007, 20:36
The truth is ... the Fantom is only serving as a table for those KP3s (right now) ... they're connected to my Micron and Fusion indiviudally ...

what they do ... and could do with the Fantom ... is control up to 2 MIDI parameters per pad ... so while a sequence is playing or whatever is playing you can be manipulating various params in realtime with one finger while playing with the other ... there are many possibilites ... plus all the knobs, buttons and slider all transmit editable CCs ...

plus ... it also has 80 audio effects ... so you can mix in those as well ... some nice drums patterns playable in realtime and some pretty decent synths sounds ...

plus ... it has four high-quality sample banks with up to 16 beats per ... great way to get ideas going quickly ...

If you want to mangle, warp and otherwise alter your sounds easily and quite musically in realtime ... I'm not sure what else is out there.

The only thing better than a KP3, IMO, is another one.
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Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

3 Aug 2007, 08:46
So the concept is similar to the XY pad on the V-Synth or like the VC-1 D-50 card.

And you get effects processing for an audio path.

The flashing lights definately have the "cool" factor.

Thanks!

Mark

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

3 Aug 2007, 12:16
It's certainly not something you NEED, but in my opinion, it's more functional and more interesting than looking at an empty surface on the Fantom. BTW ... not much will fit on an X7 ...

I'm trying to keep my studio compact and efficient ...

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Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

3 Aug 2007, 13:45
While you're playing, the sceleton should be dancing... And maybe singing?..

Re: Any External Device With Knobs Or Sliders To Tweak My Fa

3 Aug 2007, 16:02
yes, I'd love to be the "brains" behind an electronic, animatronic band ...

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I agree, though, skeletons would be much cooler ... plus ... you could always dress them up and maybe have them wear masks, too ...
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

BCR preset for the Fantom X mix

9 Sep 2007, 08:44
I have posted some preset files that allow the BCR2000 (could easily be modified for the BCF2000) to control a lot of the mixer pages on the Fantom X.
Volume, pan, reverb, chorus, solo, mute, Patch select, Mono/poly
Legato, portamento and portamento time
Try it out and let me know how you got on.


BC Group at Yahoo
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/

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