Fantom X Weirdness

17 Mar 2007, 18:29

Hey everyone,

I had a weird experience with my X6 this morning. I turned it on, and everything started up as it normally does, but when i played they default patch, Ultimate Grand, it sounded odd. It had a distinct phaser type effect to it. Figuring it was some issue with the effects, I went into effect setup and turned them all off. No change. I tried other patches, and they seemed to sound pretty normal, but when I went back to Ultimate Grand, the phaser sound was back. I went over to performance mode, and any piano sounds selected there sounded normal as well. When I powered the Fantom down and back up, everything went back to normal. Anyone ever encountered this? Just wondering if my board is going nuts, or I am. Sorry if this is disjointed. I'm in a huge hurry, and just wanted to get this sent off before i take off.

Thanks for any info.

James

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Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06, SRX-03) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

18 Mar 2007, 00:11

I had that problem and turned out to be an issue with the knobs. Try to change some values of a sample with the knobs in sample edit (end, loop, etc...) and see if the values start changing by themselves. If this is not the case, then its some other thing.

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

18 Mar 2007, 01:08

Normally when I get a phasing issue the first thing I check is if "local" is on and I'm presently connected to a DAW. If I'm sequencing on my DAW, then I generally turn local off to avoid the phasing thing.

Oddly enough, I've also experienced the knob issue xzased metioned. I had values in the Fantom X mixer changing all by themselves, though I never got phasing from it. The problem turned out to be my SKB case foam was pressing too hard to the knobs and damaging things. I had repair shop make sure the knobs were cool and the dealer trimmed the foam back in my case. That fixed it.

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

22 Mar 2007, 05:32

I as wondering when more people would experience this... I had them about 5 months back and posted some Questions here.

Its the knobs and i bet you would have to have to have the circuit board replaced...sorry...i feel your pain.

Ok!!!!!....Now i have all the equipment....if i can just learn to play them.

Ok!!!!!....Now i have all the equipment....if i can just learn to play them.

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

22 Mar 2007, 14:41

Nop, you dont have to replace the circuit board if its the knob problem. I found out the main cause of it and has nothing to do with the circuit board at all.

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

22 Mar 2007, 14:47

Ok ZX, I'll bite. What was the the main cause?

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06, SRX-03) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

22 Mar 2007, 15:13

I you open up your FX (I dont recommend it though, unless your warranty has expired and you know about electronics), and have a look at the knobs' circuit board, you can see that the potentiometers are separated by at least 2mm from the pcb in such form that the potentiometers are supported by their soldering...which is REALLY BAD if you ever apply some pressure (e.g. if the board goes upside down in a gigbag by accident or something like that). So, with the sufficient amount of pressure, you can tear up the soldering of the potentiometer (mine had really small cracks, you had to look REALLY CLOSE). These cracks cause the continuous random value change of the knobs, so you only have to solder them and stick a piece of plastic under the potentiometers so this wont happen again.

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

22 Mar 2007, 15:20

first ... FACTORY RESET

make sure you save your settings/etc., though ...

I had similar problems once, FACTORY RESET solved them.

Hopefully, your problem will be as easy to fix.

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Re: Fantom X Weirdness

22 Mar 2007, 18:16

Xz,

Great tip. So far, it's only happened once, and was corrected by powering down and back up, but if it persists, I'll keep that in mind.

Diametro,

Yes, I would definitely do a reset first. Also a good tip.

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06, SRX-03) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

23 Mar 2007, 05:35

yep checked that out too...resoldering wont help though. it will happen again. Then a short curcuit is going to cost you much more in the long run. Have the board...knobs and all replaced. My best advice. I have been there and its real sad. Resoldering and patching up totally messed up my keyboard and voided my warranty so it ended up costing me dearly, financially and professionally.

Believe me roland has spent far too much money on making this keyboard pretty than on actually making it robust.
For a professional instument, that costs this much, it has totally embarrased me and is really assembled poorly, like say for instance my triton classic. I dont own a gig bag, Its always in my SKB flight case when i trnsport it, or when i dont use it.

I will think twice about buying anything roland in the future, maaybe even 4 times.

Ok!!!!!....Now i have all the equipment....if i can just learn to play them.

Re: Fantom X Weirdness

23 Mar 2007, 16:46

Really bums me out to hear of hardware issues like tht. It's such a great instrument. I love it in every other way. Well maybe not the file system so much, but other than that. The even scarier part is that my X6 has suffered absolutely zero abuse. It has sat on the same stand, covered when not in use and never exposed to children or any other knob abusing entities, since I got it a few months ago. The only exception is when I installed memory and an SRX-06 board. Even then I had it sitting on a pillow on a bed. Next time I'll leave it on the stand and roll under it like I'm working on a car.

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0

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Music by Sanus Ex Nihilo
Fantom X6 (Max RAM, SRX-06, SRX-03) | Boss Powered Monitors (Absolute Junk)
Roland R5 Rhythm Programmer (Classic!)
Korg M1 (Way Classic) | Fender A.D. Strat HSS
Digitech GNX4 Guitar Workstation
Acid 4.0 | FL Studio 5.0