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Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

b4real help please...

9 Dec 2006, 09:21
I'm a new user to the fantom and this sounds are great
I can control most of the parameters and create new sounds,but some of the sounds aren't sustained by the ho,d pedal and I cant seem to find the parameter controling that.
If anyone can help me assign the sustain pedal to the b4real 7.0 please...
thank you

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

10 Dec 2006, 10:39
wat is a fader? :$ were does it stand in the mixer, ..
first i have to say im a noob with the fantom, but i really want some good hammond sounds. anyway, you guys are talking about copying a fans.svd to the fantom, overwriting your old 1 with the new 1 that comes with the zip archive that contains the hammond patches? there is NO fans.svd in the hammond package :S

how can i install these sounds ? and why is there a seperate folder with a ._.DS_Store file in it, while in the other folder of the archive, there is a .DS_Store file aswell, but without a ._

confusing as hell, why no readme and a very clear archive structure?

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

10 Dec 2006, 15:07
in the mixer mode each of the volume sliders are "faders" by adjusting the volume of each channel (1-9 only) you can change the way the organ sounds, the same way the HAMMOND has 9 draw bars. you use the 9 "faders" to do the same thing

hope that helps


JC THE MC...
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Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

10 Dec 2006, 15:11
neko,

all you need to do is unzip the file you downloaded onto a blank cf card. everything else is done.

then look at the performances and you can also load the song file and use RPS.


the reason that this is all a little disconnected is because I released b4real as public domain and have not had time to work on documentation lately...

I will be re-releasing a version 9.0 with full support and updates to the interface but do not know really when that will happen. It depends on alot of things.

stay tuned is all I can say.

version 9 will be worth the wait.


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Garage Band,Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones and a Mac Mini!

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

11 Dec 2006, 09:25
My father (a soundman himself) told me, why didn't you just say the volume-switches..

but ok thanks dude, you really helped me through this!

I play worship (christian music) on it, do you have a good registration for me? the sounds shown on the manual or a little bit church-organs.

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

11 Dec 2006, 15:04
volume switches? communicates that there is only an on or off but no in between. the accepted industry term is 'faders' i beleive even among most sound men.

I may be wrong. ;) It may be some obscure lingo I have picked up over the years as a sound engineer. :)

I would say that the registrations are probably not the problem Ricksell, they may be... but I highly doubt it. The nature of a B3 is that it pretty much sounds like a church organ. It is the manner in which you play it that changes the character.

I will admit that you can get some better rockish type sounds by cutting the middle drawbars down below half volume. If your team is complaining that it sounds churchy (most often the case) they probably need to hear it in the proper perspective- not by itself. I am a Vineyard worship leader and we play some pretty rocking stuff (nothing real church organish) and I use the same registrations. I would say to practice B3 Techniques and you will start getting the results you probably want. If you are playing straight chords (as in with strings or a piano) then it is definately your technique that is crippling you. The B3 is a percussive, lead and comping instrument. Use lots of glissando type slides and fast comping to get a good rock sound there is also squabbling (fast arpeggio between two or three notes---REALLY FAST) and also use the blues scale!! that makes a huge difference. listen to Kansas (Carry on my wayward son)Note the similarities and learn some of the stuff that they do and copy it. you will go a long way towards taking away the church organ feel.


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Garage Band,Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones and a Mac Mini!

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

11 Dec 2006, 15:59
The general term for a horizontal or vertical "dragged" control is "slider". "Fader" should definitely refer to a "slider which controls sound level". But no way "volume switch" will mean anything other than on/off. I've never ever heard or read this term anywhere.

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

13 Dec 2006, 13:42
@jcthemc thanks for the tip! I always play chords, but I combine it. I do often slide. But just as you said, when you here it in combination with the others in the band, it really makes differents.

So I should take the faders in the middle to 50, and should I use much high tones or rather not?
I played monday again and put the low sounds all to 20-30, the high tones to 50-60, but the latest drawbar something higer (louder, or how to say that?)

With the blues scale you mean the preset blues from B4real?

@Artemio :- ) .. lol .. sorry for that, I tried to find a good English word for what I shoud cal "volume schuif" in Dutch, but now I found I just pikked the wrong one, sorry. :P I still need to learn English..

Thanks so much for helping me guys, this is tó great!

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

14 Dec 2006, 00:37
by blues scale I mean the actual musical note arrangement that jazz and blues artists use to give it a funky feel.

I am not sure how to explain it from a theory standpoint. I will leave that to one of the experts

also cut the middle drawbars down to 10 or so possibly even off. you will need to experiment to find what you are looking for.

play with the 9 drawbars I am sure you will find some great sounds.


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Garage Band,Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones and a Mac Mini!

rotary settings

14 Dec 2006, 17:39
thanks!

how should I set the rotarry settings you think? both fast, a little slow?

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

14 Dec 2006, 21:07
leave the rotary set like it is. and shift to fast during leads or long sustains to give some good depth to the performance


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Garage Band,Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones and a Mac Mini!

Wow! Thanks!

18 Dec 2006, 11:02
This makes the Fantom X even more of a dream machine. I can't wait to play it for my band mates! Thanks JC!

I bought an extra memory card to load it on a fresh card as you suggested. I saved the song file for use with RPC, which is great...I now need to save some of the presets without erasing my own...

Great Job...Very inspiring and fun! I can't wait for your next revision. I will try to send some cash after the Holidays.
www.songsforthemaster.com

Re: Fantoms Best Hammond B3 sounds ever!! FREE

18 Dec 2006, 12:49
Thanks MadaHorn

Glad you like it!

Enjoy


JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Traction 2.0,Sound Forge 8,Acid 4.0,Mackie Onyx /w firwire option, Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones

JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.10,Garage Band,Kliptch Pro media monitors, sennheiser hd 280 pro headphones and a Mac Mini!

Some B3 Draw Bar Settings!

18 Dec 2006, 15:46
http://www.thesoundsmith.com/private/hammond3.htm

More:
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FullnSweet:868868068
FullnHigh:888666888
NiceComp:876532080
PlaintiveBallad:008400000
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After a few days of experimenting and rehearsing with the VK8 I find these settings to be really great:
888000000, C3, 3rd perc. soft, fast - jazz solos and louder comping,
858000000, bass, just a little fatter than the standard 838000000, which is a great setting for soft comping, both no percussion,
848040136, C3, no perc. Leslie either slow or fast, great for ballads, corny jazz and mellow gospel,
888886666, C3, no perc. great for that loud Santana stuff or loud gospel shouts.
And of course there are much more possibilities.
www.songsforthemaster.com

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