Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?

hey septimo, you said '3/4 more years'....do you mean three fourths of a year, or 3 to 4 years?

Sorry, yeah it looks like that. but no, I meant 3 to 4...

Septimo ,'^)
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swan diver in response to your original post
id like to see roland fix the problem of the fantom x 7 i have takes like 20 minutes to start, i have a 512mb flash card and 512 mb of ram .this fantom x should have a harddrive that i can put massive gigs on, at least 100 gigs would be great, my songs could be so much better if i could work in the fantom "LIKE" a computer software program like nuendo, pro tools etc...
reason....
i dont know ,like the sanples i buy sound better when they are on the fantom then played through reason rewired into nuendo

ive had the fantom for over a year, and i only have like 16 drum kits i created from the samples i have on my card, ive programmed like only 50 or so bass or synth sounds into the user area, considering for the past three years ive had a full time job and a family so i would like use the board only 3-5 hours a day if that on an average. i could take sometimes 3 hours just loading samples and making and designing a custom drum kit, honestly thats crazy
i could have made three beats in reason by then, and in reason and my pc i can actually browse through the entire sample cd library, over 200 gigs plus other stuff

but now i have spent the time and hand picked all the best samples from all those dope sample cd's and put them on my fantom , so maybe my fantom is better now, less looking fuss and bs to make a killer beat,

BUT IT TOOK ME A WHOLE YEAR TO MAKE IT LIKE THIS

collecting sample cd's using them and then just leehing all the best sounds outta them, yea i was making beats on reason rewired into nuendo with vsti synths patiently waiting to expose the fanotms capabilities,
but now i cant load anymore samples, all the samples in there are hot, and i dont know what to do, cause there is like no room to save songs its crazy, and i hate buying a new flash card, there should be a hard drive on this thing,

i love programming some of my drums and things in the rhythm function of the fanom, none of the other keyboards have that, working with the arp functions and the chord functions together with the pro edit function totally seperates this keyboard from them all
sorry thats just MHO
the pro edit function is just plain stooopid, and when i say that i mean its the best thing in the oven right now,
the ease of going in and customizing a drum kit is awsome

the fantom needs and external pc MONITOR out so we can all edit on a big piano roll screen instead of the micro edit, it took me like 6 months just to get used to looking at it all small, i guess im slow or maybe was doing SO MANY other things with the fantom THAT i had to take it little by little


honestly i dont see how they can make a better board then the fantom then if they just added what i kinda taked about above yes the extra synth stuff might be better

if the next fantom supported vsti synths then what else would be needed... maybe all of what i am saying is causeing some to get angry i dont know but all i can say is after spening time around and about the 4 other boards mentioned in previous posts in this thred ,the fantom really takes the cake

The more we are pampered with features, the more we complain that our gear limits us in making the music we'd like to make. Isn't it ironic?

Vintage synths don't have 16 track sequencers with pattern recording and tempo synced pad-controlled playback for your live mixing convenience, and are still widely used nonetheless. Heaps of good music was made with hardly anything more than ancient gear and overdubbing. And here we are, compaining that our modern gear is having midi issues via the usb connection to illegal software sequencers and vstis, and that the filesystem is crappy. Huh! What kind of arguments are these for any self respecting musician?

Besides, any feature they would add would only lead to the wishlist becoming longer. Even if you'd manage to master the entire oasys, you'd find things that could be improved.

peter, thogh i undersand what you're saying, you're being very impractical.

Think about it like this. Do you want A/C in your car? Would you complain if your car didnt have cruise control or sunroof, or abs, or airbags? Why would you? 200 years ago, we didnt have any of that. And now when you shop for a new car, you want ABS, this and that. Why not just get the flintstones mobile? :=D Do you see my point?

Evolution brings expectations. (copyright (c) me). We're in the 21st century, so we compare what we have to what we're supposed to have. Nothing wrong, again, for some people they absolutely need it. However, too much complaining will do no good either.



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sam, what a nice last paragraph - and this is what I was saying *always*.

Sam, of course I see your point and you're right right about the expectations idea, but what I'm trying to say is that those expectations may actually blind us for things we DO have.

Take a basic piano for instance; keys, pedals, and that's it. When you play on one, you accept that it's your fingers and musicality alone that make or break the piece you're playing. All you may rightfully expect, is that it's properly tuned.

Now picture a basic keyboard with piano, ep, organ and string sounds, a simple record/play sequencer, and some kind of rhythm/beat thingy. The added functionality (compared to a piano) enables you to do more with your music. Instead of just playing things from sheetmusic/memory, you can record, perhaps layer (or you'd wish you could) and save basic sequences.

In time you'll want to go beyond this. Perhaps you'll want more sounds, more effects, more tracks and a more user friendly sequencer. Maybe you've discovered what synthesis actually is, and want to do that too. Maybe you're not happy with your mix, and want a 3, or no 5! band equalizer and stereo compression for mastering purposes, and maybe ...

At some point you'll have heaps of features, but you won't be able to tell the necessary ones from the useless ones. Overequiped and underskilled you'll only see the things you don't yet have, not understanding why you'd need them in the first place, but that has long ago ceased to be an issue.

While this is a bit dramatized, there is really no limit to the amount of new features that can be thought up for any given functionality, and the danger is to only see that, and not the possibilities you have now. Ask yourself; Is the piano less enjoyable to play because a keyboard has more features?

Disregarding its bugs (which should be fixed); of course there are things the FX can't do, and it lacks functionality that I would like it to have; it being a workstation and thus the master/controller of my studio. But instead of complaining about it, I'd rather use it for what it CAN do, and look for other gear that is more suited for what it can't do.

In a way I simply accept that everything has its limitations, it's a rule of life; no use complaining about it, it'll only make you unhappy.

Art : "sam, what a nice last paragraph - and this is what I was saying *always*. "

What can I say? I learnt from the masters. *bows down in chinese tradition fashion". :=D



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good post peter.

I think what happens is that each one lists a complain/feature request, and when everyone's is summed up, it looks huge.

Ofcourse, some here have surreal expectations of what the fantom should have been. Personally, i'm happy with the Fantom S and i'm sticking to it.



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