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Fantom 2.10

Fantom 2.10

22 May 2006, 21:53
Hello,

recently upgraded to 2.10 and noticed an odd thing when recording audio tracks. When you press the record button whatever your input is gets noticably softer. After stopping the recording it returns to full volume..

Anyone heard of this?

-PK
-PK

Re: Fantom 2.10

22 May 2006, 22:47
yes that happens to me also. I can't remember what it was like before 2.10????

Fantom 2.10

23 May 2006, 14:47
I'm pretty sure it is a result of 2.10, if it is that noticable to me, then it probably was not occuring a week ago when I was on a previous rev of v2. Perhaps it was something that had to be done for the MFX functionality of 2.10 who knows...

-PK
-PK

Re: Fantom 2.10

23 May 2006, 15:04
sorry to hear about your troubles ...

I hope Roland is aware of this and doing something about it ...

I didn't install the new OS ...

Are you planning on re-installing the old OS?

I'm somewhat familiar with the update. I suppose for me the biggest news was being able to record MFX for line-in audio tracks ... but I don't really use my Fantom that way now so I didn't bother with it ...

Is there anything more you found good about the update?
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Re: Fantom 2.10

25 May 2006, 18:11
It was doing the same thing with v.2.0 for me too... So I dont think it has anything to do with v.2.10 because I have it and it still does it...

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Re: Fantom 2.10

25 May 2006, 21:16
Hello pastorK and everyone.

Sampling volume level on the Fantoms and the MC synths has always been a hot topic for users. The primary reason there are issues is because Roland chose to implement a 16-bit sampling system on synthesizers that use a 24-bit DAC. A 16-bit audio signal has about 65,000 possible levels at which the audio signal can be at any one time (from valley to peak). A 24-bit audio signal has about 16,700,000 possible levels at any one time (from valley to peak). As you can see, a 24-bit audio signal has a much wider potential dynamic range than a 16-bit signal (about 120 dB vs. about 90 dB respectively). Even if a 16-bit audio signal was fully "hot" at 90 dB on input, it would sound quiet when piped through a 24-bit DAC.

Roland has a number of methods for compensating for the volume differences when putting a 16-bit audio signal through a 24-bit DAC. Each sample has an associated gain value which can be increased to improve signal level whenever the sample is played. If the sample is going to be used in a patch, each Tone of the Patch has a Wave Gain parameter which can further boost the samples played by the Wave Generator for that Tone.

As for the differences between that level you hear when recording and when playing back a sample, this is likely due to the fact that after you record a sample, the Fantom-X is automatically assigning a sample gain to the sample you just recorded. The addition of a "sample gain" parameter per sample was introduced in OS 2.00 in an apparent attempt to address frequent user complaints about quiet samples. I haven't yet experienced the level difference addressed in this thread myself, but I don't use the Audio Tracks feature often. This may indeed be a result of MFX routing for recording purposes. Try recording your samples dry rather than wet and see if that makes a difference, then route the audio track through an MFX after recording.

Regards,

Nathan Sheldon
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Regards,

Nathan Sheldon
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Re: Fantom 2.10

26 May 2006, 10:30
Perhaps I did not explain well...

Here is the scenario that I never noticed until 2.10


I turn my audio "mix in" on and play for example my guitar... As soon as I hit the record button the volume drops on the guitar. I noticed the same thing when plugging in a mic.

Thanks for nsheldons reply I knew of that issue where samples come out a little quieter than you expected. But in this case it's already droped a few decibles before the count in has finished..

It's odd.. but after 15 months.. it's the only reall oddity that has bugged me.

-PK
-PK

Re: Fantom 2.10

26 May 2006, 12:36
Thanks for the clarification pastorK.

I haven't yet experienced the issue you're reporting so I can only speculate as to the cause. It may have something to do with the new ability to record effects along with the input signal. Have you tried recording your sources dry (without piping through any effects)? Just a guess really.

Regards,

Nathan Sheldon
http://www.nathansheldon.com/
Regards,

Nathan Sheldon
http://www.nathansheldon.com/

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