Reverse delay mfx clicks

24 Oct 2005, 05:47

When ever I use the reverse delay mfx 13 in OS 2.0, you here a click, the delay time equals the delay of the mfx itself. Increasing ADSR values like Attack does not fix it. The problem can easily be reproduced on a random patch. Is there any workaround for this? Thx

Sjaak

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

26 Oct 2005, 02:44

Anyone?

Sjaak

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

27 Oct 2005, 16:59

I don't hear any 'clicks' on any patch with the reverse delay.... Can u tell us wich patches specificly? Maybe I'm not listenin to it correctly.

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

28 Oct 2005, 12:47

Hi Septimo,
For example, patch 11 "Oceans of Saws". Change MFX to 13-Reverse Delay, play a note and hold it. After a few seconds, you here the clicks.

Sjaak

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

28 Oct 2005, 16:04

u're right, now I heard it......I think it has to do with the Cosm filters in combination with the 'reverse delay' cuz when I turned off the filters, it seemed to not show up.. I think the 'reverse delay' is exposing some artifact(s) from the filter, but I don't think it's the actual MFX 13 algo.

see if u get the same results... and let me know of another patch with the same effect....

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

30 Oct 2005, 14:54

Now I'm not sure,,,,,It also might be loop points or the delay is pickin up finger release, or......???.... but I still do not think it's the actual MFX.

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

30 Oct 2005, 16:40

Septimo, thanks for checking. FYI: the clicks appear on any patch. I first thougth is was CPU related because my Nord Lead 3 clicks when it's running out of polyphony. But no, it also clicks when playing just 1 note. Your suggestion of PCM sample clicks...good idea but I believe "Oceans of Saws" does not use PCM samples...don't have my V-Synt next to me now.

I also checked my Fantom-X reverse delay, but that sounds fine

I'm going to dive further into this problem the coming week. Will keep you posted.

Sjaak

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

31 Oct 2005, 14:47

yeah, I know oceanofsaws does not contain pcm samples, but don't the modeled waveforms have loop points in them that of course 'we' the user can't access, to look at? cuz i know they are not real analog static, just a sample of.

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

31 Oct 2005, 17:18

Tested several other patches, they all have this "click". It sounds like it's caused by a loop, I agree. I don't know enough about virtual analog, so I can't tell if the models do have a loop point. Perhaps Art knows?

But try this: dial up the INIT PATCH and add the Reverse Delay effect to it. Now, play the patch by holding a key... To me, the reverse delay sounds like an LFO. Weird

Sjaak

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Re: Reverse delay mfx clicks

1 Nov 2005, 13:07

Well, I remember the Reverse Delay in my XV3080 and there you got clicks, too!!

Because I wanted to know why it's clicking, I recorded stgh. and tried to do my own Delay in Logic Audio and guess what, it's clicking, too! But only when "delay" is used...!

Frank

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