Spoke to tech support today re: OS2 "bug"

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Doesn't work - I tried it. Weird thing is that V2.0 contained all the correct patches and waves even though I didn't add the ROM file. (I had put the V-synth back to V1.51 (.BIN and .ROM) before trying this, to guarranty the initial state of the V-Synth.)

FWIW, switching back and forth between OS's doesn't seem to hurt the V-Synth in any way.

That's really weird. I haven't tried it myself, but I got that tip from a Roland tech, and not some random guy. (I'm not quite sure about which is the correct file, though... is there any chance that the features are in the .rom file and the patches in the bin?).

I also forgot to mention that the tech guy mentioned that they don't make the old patches available due to copyright issues (as you guys have also said).

Indeed:
the .bin file = Patches/Wavefroms
the .rom file = Operating System

There is not enough room for both OS 1.51 & 2.0 sounds. That is correct. What I stated I was told is that there will be a forthcoming release with both WAVE sets, which will fit in the ROM and it will include the previous OS sounds (patches). The advantage of this solution is that it will link the old programs to the new location of the old waveforms (numerically following the new wave forms). Thus, when you have both sets of waveforms in the ROM and the old sounds, you can identify which of the old patches you can live without and, hopefully, before you load in this new OS, you will have identified the must have patches from OS 2.0 and you will then be able to replace the old patches with the new, as you see fit. It sounds like it should work, but the devil is in the details and getting it done!

I am not happy about this as a lot you aren't as well with regards to losing out the V1.5x patches/samples. I have barely even begun looking into this puppy. Mainly got it for my Dark Ambient project along with using it for MIDI/VSTi usage. No live gigging planned with it (that's what the Triton LE is for).

I installed 2.0, toyed around with it, didn't care for a lot of what I heard (dance/techo? please! I didn't get this for that stuff! I want to learn to tweak the hell out of this thing....). Went back to 1.51 for the fabulous Tapeflute I may sample to the Triton LE.....

I'll be monitoring things on how folks are coming along with setting up the 1.5x waves to go into 2.0. Then I may reinstall 2.0 to move forward again.

Mike

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I really wouldn't mind buying a VC-3 card that basically included all the 1.51 waves and patches and then some, along with, say, some really useful (but reasonable!) new addition to the V-Synth's capabilities... what would that be, though? Thoughts? What else would you reasonably expect would be possible and desireable to have as part of the V-Synth's toolset?

I'd think something like maybe expanding or refocusing the instrument's abilities around wavetable synthesis might be a cool idea. Since a lot of the technology already has to do with real-time manipulation of movement through a sampled waveform, I'd think adding further structure to how you do this (think two generations beyond Waldorf's classic Wave and MWXT synths) might be interesting, and possible, without infringing on any already existing technology patents.

It probably sounds stupid and probably isn't possible, but I think that they should make a hardware unit or card that would give the unit an extra effects block so that it is not stuck with nothing more than global effects- most people I know that I make music with said they would get a V, but are turned off by the fact that if they want to sequence multiple patches, they either have to use the same global effect or run the sound through the dry outputs and into external gear- and I agree with that notion as well. Id bet they could add a rom chip in there as well for more waves.

Well I'll be your huckleberry....

"It probably sounds stupid and probably isn't possible, but I think that they should make a hardware unit or card that would give the unit an extra effects block so that it is not stuck with nothing more than global effects"

This will most likely never happen. But I think the next V-Synth probably will have more effect blocks. I remember I was thinking the same thing when I got my first 'real' synth, the yamaha cs6x.

This limitation is in most synths, actually, and to be honest, I think the effect abd processing power in the V-Synth is awesome. It was never meant to be a fullblown multitimbral synth, if you want that you should look at a workstation. When thinking about it, Rolands Fantom X doesn't really have that more effects power anyways.
I have a Yamaha Motif ES, and it packs 16 inserteffect blocks. But the V-Synth can do so many crazy things that are impossible with the Motif.

Well, I'm glad I have both!

yeah I know- but you know.... they say its a live instrument... so I would figure that if you are using multiple patches being sequenced at once, that you should be able to use all the effects for each patch as assigned- but the world isn't a perfect place huh? i suppose there is always resampling there though.... they did an awesome job none the less. I finally got back into town where my keyboard V is located and put os2 and am pleasantly suprised! I don't think that the patches are as conventional as people claim, there is a lot of crazy stuff in there, i just hate that they filled every patch up, leaving none for the user, so now i gotta go through and clean out the patches that are useless everytime I want to make my own patch... I'm just going to go through and pick out the good stuff and wipe evrything else out so I have plenty of room.

Well I'll be your huckleberry....

At the following Roland site, there seems to be the promised combo OS 2.0 with the 1.5 patches and waves, but unfortunately, I can't get the link that is listed to work on my Mac (Safari, Netscape & Internet Explorer)! The page is http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?CatID=8&SubCatID=36&ProdID=V-Synth&PageMode=4 and it also has a PC version, which may download, but does me no good. Check it out. I will call Roland on Monday and inquire as to why the link is not working for the Mac, although after rereading this, it may not be the combo of both OS wavforms (as 2.0 patches are NOT included) and merely a duplicate of what member Robnet's Hybrid setup does, but can't tell until I download and read their included pdf file.

"they say its a live instrument... so I would figure that if you are using multiple patches being sequenced at once, that you should be able to use all the effects for each patch as assigned- "

I think the reason they say it's a 'live instrument' is because it is regarded as a performance keyboard - and in a performance board, multitimbrality isn't an issue because you are not supposed to play back mulitple sequenced parts, instead you play/jam on one instrument at a time.

I think multitimbral boards may be veru good in a studio setup. But having said that, I get the impression most studios have never really done multisetups. Instead they have sequenced synths from voicemode, and instead relying on having several synths..

But I definately agree that more effect blocks are very welcome

Ottovr

Just checked and the link does work for Macintosh (I'm runnning 10.3.4 and Safari).

The link doesn't get you anything new, however. If you have the V1.51 and V2.0 update files, you already have everything that's in the Roland update files.

Use RobNet's procedure and you'll get the same result that the Roland download provides.