New trance soundset from Jahnspierr Leyton

The difference between the VA and PCM-based synth, in an essence, lies in the oscillator section.

- VA synth calculates the wave in realtime, thus each and every note you hear is rich in harmonic content. If you do pitch slides, no matter which range they have, you will get a fat, rich and crisp sound because everything is calculated on the fly.

- PCM synth uses multisampled waves instead. This means that when you play notes lower than the original pitch you miss upper harmonics, and when you play higher you miss fatness of the lower partials. If you do pitch slides you will hear a very dark (downwards slide) or a very "chipmunk" sound (upwards).

On the V-Synth, you have both, and that's really great, because you do not limit yourself with either type. Fantom still can produce analoguish and vintage sounds but you need to know a lot of tricks to be able to create them (like making "snappy" evelopes, squelchy filters, slight detunes etc.). I will describe a couple more of such tricks in the TweakBoook 3.1.

Nothing more to add...!

I can't understand why people like the Virus so much, it's a good Synthesizer but it's not the best sounding on the market, a Waldorf Q can sound very great, too. I do not like comparing all Synthies with the Virus and on the other Hand, we should compare a VA with a Sample Player, that's not fair...!

But, the reason for posting this is that I can't understand that people are thinking "only" a VA-Synthie can make these aggressive dance sounds because that's really not true. To make Trance Leads you need nothing special like Ringmod or Unisono (ofcourse you can), you need only some saw or pwm waveforms and a good and fast filter, that's all...!

Hi Xenox, I like your demos, however its all done by the CS6x and I don't know anything about it. Is the CS6x a VA?

Thanx, everything was dun with an Yamaha Cs6x, the mp3 demo was directly recorded out of that machine 2 years ago. The Cs6x is like the Yamaha Motif an Sample based Synthesizer with a lot of great waveforms in it like pwm50, pwm75, saw1 and more...! Using these waveforms and a bit eq, you can do that great voices!

by the way, next year I wanna buy an Fantom or an other Synthie, let's see, when i buy an fantom I will make some sounds for it, believe me...!

Greetz,

frank

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Art,
i know that about you even without you telling me. ) Class A geek you are, methinks.

HOw did you learn this stuff? I remember you talking about some audio engineering course..(?) did the college teach this stuff (plus your learning obviously) or did you learn this from scratch on your own?



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Arttemio, thanks for a great explanation. That surely puts some light into this mysterious phenomena of VA's.

Xenox, I wouldn't call the Virus the best Synth either, my favorite Synth (besides the Fantom) is actually the Supernova 2. For some reason the Virus became a kind of yardstick in the dance/trance music.

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Xenox, I wouldn't call the Virus the best Synth either, my favorite Synth (besides the Fantom) is actually the Supernova 2. For some reason the Virus became a kind of yardstick in the dance/trance music.

Oh yeah, I like the Supernova, too. I like the smooth sounds and Filter of the machine and sometimes, the nova can sound hard but you can really do very nice Pads with it... I like it, i wanted to buy a machine like Supernova or the Nova but i never found one...!

Frank

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We designed factory sounds for Waldorf Music, Yamaha Europe, Linplug, reFX and more...!

http://www.particular-sound.de

sambasevam:

Well, by education, I am a lasers and optoelectronics engineer. Although it was specific to that area of physics, all the basics, principles and laws do not change with the frequency range, so of course it helped me understand audio-range physics better.

However, I started learning synths long before the university. I was 13 when I got my first synth, a portable recorder, then made my own little mixer, then got my hands on Alesis QV+ processor. My father is an engineer too, and he has worked with audio electronics for several decades, he even made his own phaser pedals and used to fix Moog and Roland synths back in 70s, so I learnt a lot from him. All that combined with some reading, experiments, etc. and after about 12 years you have a Class A geek

Anyways, as about the courses: as a PhD student, I am in charge of developing a course on sound synthesis for the University of Radioelectronics. These days I am reading lectures to two groups of 4th grade students. We are going from the very basics of sound and human ear to analog and digital audio, various synthesis types, then into oscillators, envelopes, filters, LFOs... It's great.


Artemio.

Artemio, I wanna sit in your lecture!!!

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Jost, you would only understand the drawings and formulas on the board

...yeh, Art, we want a online univercity!

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SRUT, BUT...

As long as there will be lots of bleeping and tweaking and LFO's going off I would be more than happy.

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Two different machines with two different engines.
I thing that the Fantom have really fantasitc sounds and the both machines a the best combination for Dance/ Techno/ House/ Electro and many many more musicstyles.
I thing that?s not important, if you used sample rom or virtuel analog synth. Important is that do you make with the sounds.

I have see some guy with two machines. One was the MicroKorg and the MachineDrum from Elektron in combination with a Pocketsequencer from Roland. And this sound was Fat. Was the best live act in Hamburg.

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Maverick

Jahnspierr is right, you have to tweak your machine to get great sounds, my TweakBook proves it and helps you learn how. It will always be up to you, not up to presets.

Yeah, tweaking your machine is a very good idea and i have lotsa fun to do this...

Frank

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We designed factory sounds for Waldorf Music, Yamaha Europe, Linplug, reFX and more...!

http://www.particular-sound.de

However, that microKorg is one hell of a thing, its right up there amongst the best...
I also know of guys who only use a microKorg and a Groovebox and who produce the wildest and fattest sounds under the sun.

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Have you guys already listen to the audiodemo from the new virus ti? These sounds are realy so unbelievable.. These factory presets have been made by Manuel Schleis..

give it a try..

http://www.access-mirror.de/files/demos/VTI_vengeance_demo.mp3

yes, I like them both too, the fantom & the virus

Chris