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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 16:52

I hear you. I agree that this is far more difficult and far more complex a problem than I expressed previously.

My frustrated shorthand is no excuse.

I recommend the book "America's Secret War" by George Friedman to anyone interested in an explanation of the complex issues behind current events and a good overview of the actions we are taking, some of which are distasteful but, regretfully, needed.

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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 17:14

Yeah, the f**kers seem to have forgotten something......we're British. We don't do "frightened by bombs!"

The Iraq war is still a factor though IMHO. You don't fight GLOBAL terrorism by invading one country which, at the time, had no proven links with Al-Qaeda (and no WMD it seems). You have to be much smarter than that.

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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 17:23

FantAdam

Thanks for the tip. I definitely will dig into that book.

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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 17:23

It seems invading Iraq was a lesson to Saudi Arabia basically telling them that they need to stop private citizens from funding Al Quaida. We can't Invade Saudi because the islamic world would go nuts (Mecca and Medina) so we show them that we can militarily erode any support for Saudi intransigence one country at a time until they pull their finger out and clamp down on private funding of terror networks.
It would make the Saudi regime unpopular within Saudi national borders to comply but the alternative is MUCH worse. US and it's allies WILL NOT accept attacks on home soil. And that is the attitude that shapes foreign policy.
This is not a game...

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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 17:28

And by the way, WMD? maybe he did maybe he didn't...

That's not the point. The point is that's the excuse were giving and that's the one were sticking to. You don't like it? Tough.

P.S. when George W. said "you're either with us or against us" it wasn't to garner support from allies, it was an implicit message to Indonesia, Pakistan and other non-theatre Islamic nations to butt the hell out...

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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 23:24

I would just like to extend my regard and dearest sympathy to all of our Brit family that have been effected in any way by the recent events.

Signed, "It's amazing how quickly the sheer inconvenience of work comes back to me." Onslow(sp)

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Re: Bombs in London

7 Jul 2005, 23:41

Hear, hear. . .

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8 Jul 2005, 05:32

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I like the your Onslow references. Which Onslow is it?

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Re: Bombs in London

8 Jul 2005, 05:55

FantAdam

I take your point but you need more than an excuse to invade another country, sacrifice the lives of 100s of Coalition soldiers, 1000s of innocent civilians and spend billions of dollars bombing empty buildings in the middle of Baghdad.

It hasn't improved the situation in the area one iota and has exacerbated global terrorism and given the terrorists another battleground to fight on. It's nothing to do with bleeding hearts, it's about fighting the enemy with intelligence (in all senses of the word)

Normally I like quotations from "B" movie cowboys, but none of the ones from George Bush .... strange.

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Re: Bombs in London

8 Jul 2005, 06:47

I'm sorry guys,
I don't want to be rude.

but aren't you beeing "selfish" about this.
This goes beyond Iraq, Afganistan, Bush, WTC , London or Madrid.

There's always been "terrorists" in the world - one way or the other.

This is about killing civilians and inocents. Wherethere it happens in London, in Lebanon, Iraq, Africa or in any other place it still is KILLING INOCENTS

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Re: Bombs in London

8 Jul 2005, 10:15

lets just be thankful that more people weren't affected. Mass Transit at rush hour?......it could have been WAAAAAAY worse.

I'm not discounting the people that were affected, just expressin relief that the incident wasn't such a large scale catastropy that it could have been.

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They may be innocents to you & me

8 Jul 2005, 11:11

but to militants they are just non-muslim targets. These kind of terrorists do not care about "innocents" at all. What the world has to realize is these kinds of terrorists need to be taken out before they strike-not after, and how can you do that without collateral damage?

Re: Bombs in London

10 Jul 2005, 10:28

As I have already said, you do it with intelligence, not war movie tactics.

As an example, if the US "intelligence" services had even just a few people who knew the Arabic languages and culture and spent time infiltrating terrorist groups and intercepting comms rather than worrying about how they looked in their shades it would help US security a lot.

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