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Threesixty, I don't like jumping in on heated discussions, but Qinnx made no suggestion of using Windows routines in the Fantom OS. His example of the "file selector" is a valid one as he demonstrated that the function DOES exist in the Fantom OS : "And we know the file requester exists becuase we use it to save songs etc.. ". And just to clear it all up, FAT (File Allocation Table) is the system used to identify the position on a disk (or other media formatted with FAT) where a particular file starts.

And yes, I'm a programmer (of 25 years, 20 of those as my career), I know about computers and I'm not embarassing myself.

Dave

http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/ "Some musicians have a physical block, some have a mental block, while others have a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!

Where on earth did I say that Qinnx suggested using windows routines in the Fantom? I used windows as an example of how programmers call routines built into the OS to access functions like file systems etc.. All I was saying is that unless you want re-invent the wheel and write routines at assembler/hex level, you have to use these routines.

My point is simply this, unless you know exactly what routines the OS provides to use the file system, you dont know exactly how simple/hard things are. I cant believe where even arguing this point!

Just because there's a routine to save and load songs doesnt neccessarilly make provision for a programmer to save/load things in any fashion they want.

What if there is a restriction to a string length? What if there's a restriction to the amount of files you can save at one time? How on earth does anyone who isnt a roland programmer know exactly what the parameters are to use the file system routines in the Fantom?
What if there's actually a "bug" (heaven forbid!) in the file system routines at OS level. Anything could be there...

Thats why it's just pure SPECULATION!

I'm not saying it isnt possible, I'm not saying there isnt a work around, I'm just saying you DONT KNOW EXACTLY what the situation is!

BTW, how is your explanation of FAT any different from me saying its a file format?
Qinnx was trying to say that FAT by itself meant everything was possible, I'm just pointing out that FAT has nothing to do with it.

BTW, I've been programming since the days of the Vic-20 and have just finnished a 7 yr stint programming banking systems in the city. I can still talk bullkshit and get things wrong just like any other person in my profession (believe me I've heard so much shit from people who "know" everything). Yet my background doesnt mean shit, just prove me wrong and I'll shut up.

someone said,"you don't even know what file system they are using"

Quinx said,"yes I do, FAT, that's how windows sees it as a drive"

that's all he said about FAT.

Also looking back at QuinXs explanation of how he knows the routines are there, I believe, he is correct in assuming that what he is asking for(and a few others) is do-able. I also believe it should be relatively easy to incorporate.


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OK, let me clarify a few things.

Firstly my use of the phrase "file system" was meant to incorporate both the file format and the means to access/manipulate files. I didnt say what "file format" it used, but the word "system" incorporates a lot of things not just how data is physically stored on. Obviously this has caused confusion.

Secondly, I originally asked for the change in my first post. I wouldnt ask for something I dont think is do-able. And for the record, I do think it "should" be relatively easy to achieve. But that is me GUESSING. I dont know exactly what is in the Fantom OS. Now, Quinnx and I are making fairly educated guesses about what a programmer in Japan should be able to do with an OS we dont know the commands to. We're guessing because we've seen the Fantom do over "great" things, and think that relatively speaking, it should be easy.

However, the fact is Quinnx doesnt know exactly what commands the OS uses. Thats FACT. Thats all I've basically said. And for him to jump down my throat was just plain childish. If he had respectively just said "I dont agree" and theres probably something different going on then that would be cool. But the dissing just gets me annoyed. Its so uncalled for.

I can never be wrong because all I've stated is factual. Unless Qiinx is a Roland programmer he is basically talking out of his arse.

And lastly, I get suspicious when something so simple as loading in the correct samples per song is not integrated in a machine thats essentially had 2 yrs worth of updates. Loads of other things have changed apart from anything to do with loading/saving. Maybe, just maybe it's not as straightforward as we think (and again I'm still guessing).

Ever here of LOGIC you cannot deny it.
It’s a step-by-step process that is absolute!
There is no room for error and there for the result is always TRUE

Programming adheres to this rule
You cannot get to step C unless you start with A or at least came from Step B and it in turn came after step A.

LOGIC.

IF you try to ignore it in programming, your application will fail.

Given the fact that logic and programming is absolute
And given the fact that we can already see the processes that are being used on the fantom means they exist.
The fact they exist means they are there, are being used are being called.

In programming, unless Roland hires novices and idiots
Each routine is a separate function.
Every time a user presses a button, a key etc.
A function is called.
Those functions exist and are seen to exist by the mere fact that on the fantom, for every action there is a reaction.

Since logic is the root of all programming and I base my statements purely on this logic then what is state is not speculation or guesswork, its fact!

Where as any assumptions you have stated so far are purely this, assumptions, speculation with no clear understanding of the above.
Since if you had a clear understanding of the above and did not deny LOGIC you would not be able to disagree with the Facts.

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! ephasis not anger
!!?? confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)

Forget it Qinnx, your completey NUTTS!!

What is all this "absolute" crap. Your waffling!!
Logic and programming are not "absolute" otherwise we wouldnt have things called "bugs". Human beings design programs and are prone to error. Therefore whatever "logic" a computer has depends on how "logical" human beings are when they code them. Just because you can see something on a screen, doesnt mean it exists as a function in exactly the way you think it is.

Just answer me this..

1) have you seen the classes/routines that allow for file handling in the Fantom OS?

2) do you even know what language their using to program the OS ?


I rest my case...

Qinnx, your completey NUTTS!!

Thank you

"otherwise we wouldnt have things called "bugs".
yes you would, a bug is when the programmer tries to defy logic in his/her programing, and its back fires.
once again proving you cannot go against logic.

1) have you seen the classes/routines that allow for file handling in the Fantom OS?

You mean have i gazed upon there code? NO
how do i know its there? i already stated above.

2) do you even know what language their using to program the OS ?

its a low level programing language that when compiled is translated in to 1s and 0s which is the only language computers know.
It is then stored in rom in each part being 8 bits
then when it is recalled it is processed either in 16, 32,64 bits at a time etc...




Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! ephasis not anger
!!?? confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)

Calm down, guys.

im calm..

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! ephasis not anger
!!?? confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)

Count yourselves lucky that the fantom software wasn't written by ME.

That would be a right kludge!! (the display would be pretty though)

Dog

Hey I know a bit of programming.

10 print"Take a chill pill"
20 goto 10

ha, ha - me and Dog are due to release Version 3 next week for beta testing.

Sorry there is a serious BUG in your program.
we no longer use line numbers

Syntax Error
Press any key to continue....

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! ephasis not anger
!!?? confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)

Where's the any key?

better luck next time Qinnx

Pooh!

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! ephasis not anger
!!?? confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)