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V-Synth GT: Midi/USB Problems

Re: V-Synth GT: Midi/USB Problems

29 Jan 2010, 21:40
This is very disappointing to hear. When bugs like this appear in software products (especially those by smaller design houses) its slightly more forgiveable - and usually a painless update isn't very too away. But with hardware, and for a problem as simple as MIDI clock sync between devices, for there not to have been a firmware fix from Roland (given it's one of the 'big three') is absolutely outrageous. This apparent beta version that Roland Belgium detailed, will this ever see light of day? Given it was July last year that was mentioned, there really should have been some form of public release to fix this problem by now or at least a formal explanation or timescale for when a fix will be available. Shame on you Roland!

Re: V-Synth GT: Midi/USB Problems

13 Aug 2010, 06:45
Just wondering, has there been any update to these external midi delay sync problems??

I just noticed these problems on my GT, and after much mucking around, have discovered that despite what some people have said, even using standard midi with clock sync, it still freaks out and delays sound horrible.

So I can't use any delays!! This is a HUGE BUG!! I thought when I sold my Waldorf Blofeld, I left all these bugs behind!

Anyone know a workaround, or have access to the super-secret beta GT operating system that fixes these problems that has been rumoured?

Re: V-Synth GT: Midi/USB Problems

24 Feb 2026, 06:30
petri_alanko wrote:
By the way, I do have to give kudos to GT's navigation shortcuts, pressing SHIFT+OSC1 opens Osc 1 settings, etc., if only the shift button was located next to OSC1/2, COSM1/2 etc. buttons. Now it needs two hands to use - but is still accelerating navigation.
To my surprise, when I started studying the Roland V-synth GT service manual, I discovered several unused and hidden options for installing additional control buttons on the external control interface boards (shown in the screenshot with the red squares).
I think if Roland had continued to modify the V-Synth GT, they would have definitely listened to user feedback and updated the control surface for these buttons, as this is difficult to implement without open source code.
And right in the upper R-corner of the sirface of GT, between the AP-Synthesis and Vocal Designer buttons, there's an empty space, whereas the board should have a one button (for example, for SHIFT2). There are also a couple of hidden curcited buttons and a potentiometer places ready to install on the R-PANEL-Board
- bottom row near the MODIFY (AP-Systhesis) knob & pot (FUNC_1; FUNC_2; SENS)
- upper row near the encoder wheel on the right side.
There are also several unused multiplexer channels (IC1; IC2 up to 11 uunoccupied channels) that could easily be used in implementing this control panel upgrade for more buttons installing... in the empty spaces, rather than drawing a pointless signal processing structure for the sake of retouching the flaws in the V-Synth GT control [attachment: Снимок экрана 2026-02-24 в 21.25.07.png]
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Re: V-Synth GT: Midi/USB Problems

24 Feb 2026, 07:03
daX6fantom wrote:
Just wondering, has there been any update to these external midi delay sync problems??

I just noticed these problems on my GT, and after much mucking around, have discovered that despite what some people have said, even using standard midi with clock sync, it still freaks out and delays sound horrible.

Anyone know a workaround, or have access to the super-secret beta GT operating system that fixes these problems that has been rumoured?
An analysis of the V-Synth GT architecture (including the SH-4A and SH-2A cores) in the context of Roland synthesizers reveals that the "MIDI jitter" or desynchronization issue in later models (V-Synth GT) compared to earlier models (Original 2003, XT) stems from changes in interrupt processing priorities in the TAU (Timer Array Unit) and the operating system.
Q.: Why did the bug appear in the GT (2007) when it did not appear in the Original/XT (2003-2005)?
A.1.: Complexity of the interrupt hierarchy (Interrupt Latency):
Earlier V-Synths (Original/XT) used previous-generation chips with a lighter bus load. In the V-Synth GT, the SSI Serial Sound Interface (R8A02021) & WSP chips simultaneously serves two sound engines (AP Synthesis and Vocal Designer). When the TAU timers generate an event to send/receive a MIDI packet, the main processor may be busy with high-priority tasks like maintaining the audio buffer or calculating sound modeling parameters. This creates micro-delays (jitter).
A.2.: 32-bit timer cascading:
Accurate MIDI synchronization requires a stable "tick." In the SH-2A architecture, using timers in cascaded 32-bit mode for long intervals sometimes conflicts with the DMA (Direct Memory Access) mechanism. If DMA blocks the system bus to transfer samples from P2ROM memory, the TAU timer must wait for the bus to become available to update registers or trigger an interrupt, which delays the MIDI event by several milliseconds.
A.3.: Task sharing between cores:
In the original V-Synth from 2003, the MIDI stack ran on a dedicated auxiliary controller or had hard-coded time slices. The GT version based on couple R8A77800N & R8A02021A saw a significant integration of functions into a single SoC. All control functions (interface, MIDI, USB, engine control) were relegated to a single core SH-4A (R8A77800A). This resulted in a fluctuating MIDI data stream during intensive use of controllers (such as the D-Beam or Time Trip Pad).
A.4.: Differences in the implementation of timer blocks:
- V-Synth Original/XT: Used a simpler, yet predictable, MIDI clocking scheme. The software code was optimized for a smaller workload, ensuring an immediate response to timer interrupts.
- V-Synth GT : Increased computational complexity resulted in MIDI event processing becoming dependent on the current CPU load. The bug is not actually a hardware issue with the TAU timer, but rather a problem with the scheduler, which prevents the MIDI timer from prioritizing synthesis calculations.
Bottom Line: The desync is the result of a bottleneck in the SH-4A & SH-2A chip's attempt to simultaneously manage complex graphics, two synthesis engines, and a MIDI stream through a single interrupt system.
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vsynthesis wrote:
yeah its not happening on all machines but seriously - why dont you set the gts tempo internally to the same as the sequencer - i am not saying you should have to do that and its f...lame that roland still cant sort out such pathetically simple things - when was midi clock invented ? didnt they test this - the jp8000 i have does this.........so yeah i agree roland are a bunch of w.......rs when it comes to design testing and using buyers as testers but seriously when all is said and done if you have a simple option to get it working ' ok ' then go for that - set the tempo internal to same tempo as the song and turn off all midi clock sync . . .
To minimize MIDI jitter on the SH-4A chip (as well as the SSC, which is equipped with the complementary Renesas R8A02021ABG SH-2A core) on the V-Synth GT, You should be utilizes methods aimed at reducing system bus load and modifying the TAU timer interrupt handling logic.
1. Software Optimizations (Scheduler & Priorities)
The main problem is Interrupt Latency. When the TAU timer is ready to emit a MIDI event, the processor is busy calculating the vocal engine.
- Interrupt Prioritization (IPR): In the SH-2A architecture, the Interrupt Priority Registers (IPRs) allow you to set the priority for each TAU channel. This optimization involves setting the maximum priority (level 15) for exsample:
UART/MIDI-related interrupts, higher than that of the DMA controller handling the screen graphics or enothe one processing of interupts.
- Disabling Background Tasks: In the GT system settings, it is recommended to disable USB-MIDI when using standard DIN connectors. This frees the processor from handling the USB stack, which has high overhead and often interrupts TAU timer interrupts.
- MIDI Clock Filter: If the GT is not the Master device, disabling External Clock reception (unless critical) significantly reduces the load on the timers, as the processor does not need to constantly adjust the phase to the incoming stream.
2. Hardware Hacks and Modifications
Hardware issues with the V-Synth GT are often related to the power supply and thermal conditions of the R8A02021 chip, which indirectly affects clock stability.
- Core Voltage Stabilization:
The GT's processor power lines are heavily loaded. Installing additional low-ESR tantalum capacitors in the BGA361 chip helps smooth out voltage drops during sudden changes in computational load (for example, during deep patch modulation). This reduces the likelihood of synchronization errors due to noise in the clock circuit.
- Cooling (Thermal Mod):
The R8A02021 processor in a 27x27 mm package gets noticeably hot when running two synthesis engines. Overheating leads to timing degradation within the crystal. Enthusiasts often install a copper heatsink on the chip (via a thermal pad, like analogue CPU heatsinks), which stabilizes the system bus.
- MIDI Circuit Isolation:
Some tinkerers replace standard optocoupler at the MIDI input with faster ones (such as the 6N137 series) to minimize the delay of signal edges before they reach the controller.
3. Lite Mode for Jitter Correction
There's an unspoken "hack" for using patches: if jitter becomes unbearable, it's recommended to switch the Vocal Designer engine to bypass mode (unless it's used in a patch). This frees up significant resources in the R8A02021 chip, effectively returning MIDI stability to the level of the old V-Synth/XT.
Summary: The main "cure" is to reduce the CPU load and protect the chip's power supply.
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interactive circuit diagram (moded)
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Roland WSP
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main board (party)
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Serial Sound Controller (SSC)
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Re: V-Synth GT: Midi/USB Problems

24 Feb 2026, 07:13
The original source of the idea and discussion of hardware modifications (including cooling) to eliminate "drunk" MIDI jitter and audio artifacts in the V-Synth GT are Roland_Clan & Gearslutz forum threads (specifically, discussions from 2008–2015).
1. The essence of the modification (heatsink)
Although official guidelines prohibit installing third-party components inside the case, the user community (Roland Clan, Gearspace) has discovered that the R8A02021 chip (SoC) in the GT is operating at the limit of its thermal design power.
Installation Instructions (Community Mod):
Location: The chip is located on the Main Board. Unlike earlier models, it does not have a built-in cooling system.
Heatsink Type: A low-profile aluminum or copper heatsink (usually 20x20mm or 25x25mm) designed for chipsets or Raspberry Pi is used.
Installation: Mount strictly using thermally conductive adhesive or a thin thermal pad. Using regular hot glue is not recommended due to the risk of the heatsink slipping when heated.
Effect: Reducing the crystal temperature stabilizes the TAU system timers and data bus, minimizing MIDI clock drift under high load on the effects processor.

2. Additional hardware "hack" (Power)
Besides cooling, an important source of stability is checking the 3-pin Molex connector on the power supply. Gearspace forums have reported that poor contact in this component not only causes screen flickering but also high-frequency interference ("hiss"), which affects the accuracy of the digital timing circuits.
3. Sofware "fix" from Roland
If your instrument has not yet been updated, the primary source of software troubleshooting is System Update Version 2.0. Roland claimed that this version had "improved controller response accuracy," which indirectly addressed some of the issues with MIDI interrupt priorities.

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