Acidizer wrote:Theres lots of Patches on the JP08 that we haven't got on the S8. I would also like to know how and if we can get these.if you can determine the values of your patches on the boutique, you should be able to manually input them into the S8. don't think there is another way. S8 doesn't even have a librarian! do the boutiques? (guessing not)
are there patches on the JP08 (or JU06) that aren't on the system-8? cause i would be very interested in capturing them somehow if so!
not sure if the S8 lifted the patches straight from the boughtiques or what, can anyone clear that up?
Acidizer wrote:No, the file formats are completely different, as are the values and value ranges for the settings. BUT, the breadandbuttersounds.com site is probably the easiest way to call up a visual of the Boutique patches, and then manually replicate them on the System-8. You'll still need to tweak and take other things into account (like the impact of S8 effects, extra voices, etc.). But call up a patch on B&B, start with a true Init patch on the appropriate S8 plug-out, and go at it. Only takes a few minutes for each patch, and this method takes a lot of the guesswork out.definitely interested too.
found this librarian/editor for the JU06 and JP08... "patch sharing utility" :)
http://www.breadandbuttersounds.com/
so that's something... could we use this to extract the patches on the boutiques that aren't in the system-8? then import to system-8 via SD card?
is that possible?
rsaintjohn wrote:damn... but nice we can manually dial them in this way. don't have any of the boutiques though. otherwise i would have been up for trying this... seems labourious, but could be good practice.Acidizer wrote:No, the file formats are completely different, as are the values and value ranges for the settings. BUT, the breadandbuttersounds.com site is probably the easiest way to call up a visual of the Boutique patches, and then manually replicate them on the System-8. You'll still need to tweak and take other things into account (like the impact of S8 effects, extra voices, etc.). But call up a patch on B&B, start with a true Init patch on the appropriate S8 plug-out, and go at it. Only takes a few minutes for each patch, and this method takes a lot of the guesswork out.definitely interested too.
found this librarian/editor for the JU06 and JP08... "patch sharing utility" :)
http://www.breadandbuttersounds.com/
so that's something... could we use this to extract the patches on the boutiques that aren't in the system-8? then import to system-8 via SD card?
is that possible?
Acidizer wrote:You don't even need a Boutique. Just tap that "Public Library" button at the bottom of the web UI, and double click on a patch name. I'm not sure if all of the Boutique and/or the original synth patches are there, but a lot of them are. Obviously, without a Boutique, you won't be able to hear them. But at least you can use them as a guide to create patches on the S8.damn... but nice we can manually dial them in this way. don't have any of the boutiques though. otherwise i would have been up for trying this... seems labourious, but could be good practice.
The Roland Cloud plug-outs for the System 8 have no patches, no patch management, no library. They are completely unlike the System-1 plug-outs in that way. They interface with the controls of the S8, and they are VSTs. But without the patch management, they are virtually useless and uninteresting to me at this time.another curiosity - the roland cloud, are the patches identical to the system-8's or what? (i think so) and does the cloud VSTs have librarians?
IIRC, one of the reasons it was easier for B&B to create these is that the patch file format of the Boutiques is simply ASCII. They're short files with nothing but values representing the position of the controls. Something like the waveform dial isn't even listed as "saw, square, PWM" and so on. It's just 1, 2, 3...i wonder if this guy (or anyone else) could knock up a S8 librarian. would definitely donate towards that.
buckyswider wrote:me for one, definitely. though we'd need to determine what patches aren't overlaps, and what ones are unique to the JP08. interested in pad sounds especially :)Anyhow, if anyone wants a setting breakdown from the JP-08 to try to recreate on the S8 let me know...
Acidizer wrote:They do. We'll see some more this summer.i would like to think roland has many system-8 goodies still up there sleeves. i'm sure they do...
Based on some exchanges with Roland folks, and reps at two of my retailers, the S8 is definitely not considered a flop. It performed very well in its first 6 months, and I think will see support for quite some time.but i guess it is sales-dependant? though the JDXA got good axial support and a librarian etc, not sure that was a big hit sales wise, but who knows - the S8 just seems like it has more commercial appeal. may have "flopped".
Acidizer wrote:Here's the factory patch list; let me know which you want. It will be a screenshot type of operation, so pretty tedious. http://media.aadl.org/files/catalog_guides/1486245_soundlist.pdfbuckyswider wrote:me for one, definitely. though we'd need to determine what patches aren't overlaps, and what ones are unique to the JP08. interested in pad sounds especially :)Anyhow, if anyone wants a setting breakdown from the JP-08 to try to recreate on the S8 let me know...
i would without a doubt recommend the system-8 if you can - maybe trade in the boutique against it. i was hesitant because of the price tag, humming and hawing whether to pull the trigger, since it'll probably end up in the GAS pile unloved... but i have been using it more than all my other synths put together. i "get it out" most days! very inspiring and flexible. you could spend years mastering it, unless you were already a guru. the 8 voice limit hasn't been an issue for me personally, but i am getting an MPC live to multi-track the hell out of it, like the YT guy you mentioned, i assume.
check this guy out. he records parts at a time, then assembles them, i think that's what you meant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHra6RgAeQ
