Dany wrote:You are probably very right "anotherscott", because the Integra-7 Parameter Guide lists only 77 SN Acousic Tones in the SN Tone CC Assign List of the stock presets. This list is almost identical to the JP-80's list and they differ just a little bit, as the I-7 offers e.g. some SN Acoustic Choir Tones instead of some trombone variations.
I guess the I-7 offers some same SN Acoustic Tones just with different effect settings. So my statement above was based on wrong assumptions.
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I'm actually more confused about this now.
First, it looks like I was wrong about SN Acoustic Tones not being editable on the Integra. The Parameter Guide shows all the same editable parameters for these tones on the Integra as there are on the Jupiters.
However, on a Jupiter 80, the 77 SN Acoustic Tones listed in various places in the Parameter Guide correspond to the 77 SN Acoustic Tones in the voice list. On the Integra, the 77 SN Acoustic Tones listed in various places in the Parameter Guide do not correspond to the voice list at all!
For example, the Integra Parameter Guides lists "INT: 029 TW Organ" (and it supports all the drawbar editing it has on a Jupiter 80), but unlike on the Jupiter, there is no "TW Organ" in the Voice List. So is there another "layer" to the architecture now? i.e. is there a single underlying "TW Organ" model used for the 22 SN organ voices, and the Parameter Guide tells us of the underlying model, which can no longer be selected directly, while the Voice List gives us patches based on those models? This is a distinction that did not exist before, in terms of stock sounds, where the selectable tones seem separate from the underlying models. Or maybe I am completely misunderstanding what is going on here.
Another example of the confusion: The Integra has fewer Rhodes models listed in the Parameter Guide than the Jupiter, yet it has
more selectable Rhodes patches. Specifically, the Jupiter lists these seven Rhodes instruments, both in the Parameter Guide AND Voice LIst:
Pure Vintage EP1
Pure Vintage EP2
Pure Vintage EP3
Tined EP1
Tined EP2
Old Hammer EP
Dyno Piano
The Integra lists only these five in its Parameter Guide:
Pure Vintage EP1
Pure Vintage EP2
Pure Vintage EP3
Old Hammer EP
Dyno Piano
and NONE of those appear in the Voice List, which instead includes '76 Pure, '73 Pure, '76 Stage, '73 Stage, '76 Tine, '73 Tine, '81 Tine, Felt Tine, Dyno Tine, and some more. In total, the Integra has more selectable Rhodes sounds than the Jupiter, despite having fewer Rhodes instruments listed in the Parameter Guide. Are these Integra tones, in effect, a greater number of variations from a fewer number of underlying models? And are these variations simply different noise, EQ and FX applications to the same SN models, such that they could actually be recreated in a Jupiter 80 (to the extent that the same fx are available)? Or are there perhaps some additional, new Rhodes models not listed in the Parameter Guide (perhaps because there are no adjustable parameters for them)? Or are there some other "hidden" parameters in the Integra that are somehow generating more variations from the underlying models which cannot be generated on the Jupiters? Or...?
