INTEGRA-7 SRX-Boards for Jupiter-80?

but cello... all racks are meant to have keyboard options attached in some way or another.

apex wrote:

but cello... all racks are meant to have keyboard options attached in some way or another.

Yes I know!

Maybe I'm not being very good at making my point. The Integra is a rack unit and as far as any of us know (yet) there is no 'companion' keyboard to go with it. So it is a dedicated productline producing one thing - a rack.

The Radias and M3 could be used as 'racks' (the M3 is tabletop at best) but they had an associated productline producing keyboards to be used with only that 'rack' (ie would be difficult to use the radias keys with an M3 on top).

So - comparably - the last dedicated rack-only productline (ie with no associated keys) version of a Korg was the Triton - for which you could use any old keyboard to trigger; there were no Korg keyboards designed to go along with the rack version.

So like for like on a rack-only, no associated keyboard 'options' basis, The Integra is brand new and the Triton was the last one from Korg.

So who's right? Korg for not having a dedicated rack-only version of the Kronos (for example) or Roland, releasing their newest product which is rack-only?

Sorry if I wasn't clear :(

I see 16 bar graphs - 16 parts? I'm thinking this module uses SRX waves and the JP SN synth minus VA waveforms. Some new FX processing for a unique sound. This is not a Jupiter rack.

That's the way folks on other forums are interpreting it - 16 part multi.

If correct it means it's not a Jupiter-80 inside... it's four of them!

But I jest - I don't think this unit has anything to do with the JP-80 at all.

Devnor wrote:

I see 16 bar graphs - 16 parts? I'm thinking this module uses SRX waves and the JP SN synth minus VA waveforms. Some new FX processing for a unique sound. This is not a Jupiter rack.

This is possibly much more than a Jupiter Rack !!!

INTEGRA-7 has all SuperNATURAL Acoustic AND SuperNATURAL Synth Tones from the Jupiter-80 on board. The VA (Virtual Analog) engine of the Jupiter-80 IS therefore on board as all the other SN Acoustic sounds. And what we JP-80 users will miss, are the SuperNatural Drum Sounds of the INTEGRA-7. On top of all of this, INTEGRA-7 users get all 12 SRX Boards and the Motional Surround Technology, plus I guess a ton of effects....

cello wrote:

That's the way folks on other forums are interpreting it - 16 part multi.

If correct it means it's not a Jupiter-80 inside... it's four of them!...

The INTEGRA-7 offers 16-part multitimbrality, which (and I am guessing here) means 16 "slots" fillable with one single sound. Which would mean, that you can either have a single SN-Synth Tone or a single SN-Acoustic Tone or a SRX sound or a V-Drum drumset sound in each of those 16 slots, while the JP-80 is offering just 10 slots: 2 x 4 [LiveSet] plus 2 x 1 [Solo, Perc Part].

The question remains, how many voices the INTEGRA-7 will have?

And will the INTEGRA-7 diminish the value of the Jupiter-80?

From the removed product page:

the new INTEGRA-7 sound module gives musicians a gold mine of the latest SuperNATURAL sounds in a fast-access, fully-stocked 16-part module. The powerhouse rack comprises a "greatest hits" collection of sounds from Roland's flagship keyboards and V-Drums modules, plus all 12 boards in the acclaimed SRX library. Then there's a new technology called Motional Surround, a 17-part ambience engine that lets you graphically control the distance and position of each part within a 360-degree sound field. With the immense power of the INTEGRA-7, you can create amazingly realistic and detailed orchestral arrangements, as well as immersive, spatial sounds, and beyond.


Flagship synth module with over 5,000 sounds built in

The latest SuperNATURAL sounds with enhanced Behaviour Modelling technology for expressive acoustic instruments and accurate reproduction of performance articulations

Powerful SuperNATURAL synth engine with fat analogue synth models and vintage filter types

Dynamic SuperNATURAL drum engine with natural tonal change, derived from Roland V-Drums

For producers, the "must-have" SRX Expansion sound library is built in; all 12 SRX titles included

Dedicated multi-effects and EQ for each part (16 parts), plus dedicated COMP+EQ (use six simultaneously) for drums and ambience parameters for SuperNATURAL drum kits

Innovative 17-part Motional Surround ambience engine for stereo, headphone, and 5.1-channel output

INTEGRA-7 Editor for iPad and Motional Surround VSTi Editor for SONAR software

Dany wrote:

cello wrote:

That's the way folks on other forums are interpreting it - 16 part multi.

If correct it means it's not a Jupiter-80 inside... it's four of them!...

The INTEGRA-7 offers 16-part multitimbrality, which (and I am guessing here) means 16 "slots" fillable with one single sound. Which would mean, that you can either have a single SN-Synth Tone or a single SN-Acoustic Tone or a SRX sound or a V-Drum drumset sound in each of those 16 slots, while the JP-80 is offering just 10 slots: 2 x 4 [LiveSet] plus 2 x 1 [Solo, Perc Part].

I see where you're coming from... although what if each of the 16 sound 'slots' could take a 4-part liveset...

Dany wrote:

And will the INTEGRA-7 diminish the value of the Jupiter-80?

Don't think so; just my hunch. Different machine - apples and oranges. But I do think we shall see a v3 OS before too long... The words of my local Roland rep continue to ring in my ears; "the JP-80 is a very important keyboard for Roland..."

cello wrote:

...I see where you're coming from... although what if each of the 16 sound 'slots' could take a 4-part liveset...

Then I would begin to hate ROLAND even more than KORG, after they've killed the OASYS for the Kronos...

I think it is too early to say, if we are indeed comparing apples and oranges. It could be that we have to compare an apple with a whole fruit basket containing an apple!

Or will there be a big surprise for us JP-80 users in about 4 hours?...:)

Dany wrote:

cello wrote:

...I see where you're coming from... although what if each of the 16 sound 'slots' could take a 4-part liveset...

Then I would begin to hate ROLAND even more than KORG, after they've killed the OASYS for the Kronos...

LOL! No, the one thing that Roland will never do is beat Korg's killing of the OASYS...

Dany wrote:

Or will there be a big surprise for us JP-80 users in about 4 hours?...:)

That would be nice but I seriously doubt it!

cello wrote:

That would be nice but I seriously doubt it!

Never give up...we still have 2 hours time for hope, before we have to face the naked truth...;)

OK, countdown is over...nothing for the JP-80 :(

@Cello: You were right: "Different machine - apples and oranges." :)

Specifiations INTEGRA-7: SuperNATURAL® Sound Module

Sound Generator Section
Maximum Polyphony
128 voices (varies according to the sound generator load)
Parts
16 parts
Tones
SuperNATURAL Acoustic SuperNATURAL Synth SuperNATURAL Drum Kit PCM Synth PCM Drum Kit * GM2 compatible sounds are included.
Expansion Virtual Slots
4 Slots * The following titles are loaded from the internal memory into the virtual slots. SRX Series (12 titles) SRX-01 Dynamic Drum Kits SRX-02 Concert Piano SRX-03 Studio SRX SRX-04 Symphonique Strings SRX-05 Supreme Dance SRX-06 Complete Orchestra SRX-07 Ultimate Keys SRX-08 Platinum Trax SRX-09 World Collection SRX-10 Big Brass Ensemble SRX-11 Complete Piano SRX-12 Classic EPs Expansion SuperNATURAL Sounds (6 titles) ExSN1 Ethnic ExSN2 Wood Winds ExSN3 Session ExSN4 A.Guitar ExSN5 Brass ExSN6 SFX Expansion Hi-Quality PCM Sounds (1 title) ExPCM HQ GM2 + HQ PCM Sound Collection * The SRX Series and the Expansion SuperNATURAL Sounds use one virtual slot per title. * The Expansion Hi-Quality PCM Sounds use all four virtual slots.
Effects
Multi-Effects: 16 systems, 67 types Part EQ: 16 systems Drum Part COMP+EQ: 6 systems Motional Surround Chorus: 3 types Reverb: 6 types Master EQ

so you can only have 4 of the SRX loaded at a time (1 slot each)? or the PCM data (regular sample ROM) will use all 4 slots?

apex wrote:

so you can only have 4 of the SRX loaded at a time (1 slot each)? or the PCM data (regular sample ROM) will use all 4 slots?

As shown in the official product video, you can drag (via iPad) 4 of the 12 SRX-Boards into 4 slots, so yes, I guess you can use only 4 SRX-Boards at a time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AowGClPDT0k

yes, but there is also information saying that the other "expansions" like the supernatural stuff will take up a slot as well... and the PCM data (which I am assuming is the internal ROM) takes up all 4 slots....

so that means that if you have the internal ROM loaded that you can't load any of the SRX stuff. OR the supernatural stuff...

so it seems that it's either internal ROM or SRX/supernatural...

not a deal breaker... but certainly a big deal...

anyone seen the price yet?

£1,199.00 including VAT from here:

http://www.dv247.com/keyboards-and-midi/roland-integra-7--101543

Subtract the 20% UK VAT (is that right?) and you get £999. Convert that to USD and you get $1577.

So in the US maybe $1499.

hm.....