Well, it's so funny to post here and have a chitchat with those religious fanboys! :)))
When I complained about some aspects regarding the jp80 before, my arguments were questioned "because I don't own the jp80". Then, when you own it, it becomes even worse. Now you are suddenly guilty for buying a keyboard while you have to complain about some things on it.
Regarding aftertouch:
Aftertouch is hardwired to volume and filter. Devnor, you either understand that or you are to dumb to see and understand how the tool works that you own. Unfortunately, it's the later. There is no point in being polite here while two or three idiots ruined this forum with their childish love-Roland-hate-Korg bullshit.
You guys have to use the keyboard to understand how it works. So, I won't explain to you why Cellos advice doesn't work. You can't use aftertouch to control anything else besides volume and filter cutoff on the so called supernatural synthengine where you actually have a lot of acoustic instrument pcm waveforms. Do you get that?
The JP80 is one of the most limited keyboards on the market when it comes to realtime control possibilities. Not only do you lack physical hardware controllers, you are also extremely limited to what they can do or control. I'm not saying this because I hate the jp80 but because it's a fact. It's not only the lack of hardware controllers, it's the way how they are implemented. And that is a complete mess.
I won't go thru the whole list, I'll just say that for the beginning, you are unable to control half of the available parts! By saying that I mean the percussion and solo part.
Imagine, you put a lead sound into the solo part, and you can't program the jp80 to control the filter cutoff with the rotary knob!
The rotary knob is the only physical controller which is not spring-loaded. So it doesn't jump back to its initial position. And it's not available to the perc/solo part.
You can't save the on/off status of the s1 and s2 knobs within the registration.
The tone blend function is limited to very few parameters and again, exclusively just to two parts.
Am I the only one who had the idea to control a variation and volume of a supernatural acoustic tone with the same controller? Imagine to introduce tremolo and crescendo with the modulation stick! Not possible on the jp80. Not a problem for you guys in the studio, but on stage it makes a difference whether you try to operate one or two/three controllers at the same time.
Has anyone here tried to control some effect parameters with those rotary knobs? Again, those are the only one which are not spring loaded. The sliders would be the other, but they are hardwired to volume.
And now, why do some people here have a problem when I mention this? Does it matter whether I own the keyboard or I just borrowed it from a musicstore to try it out extensively? Two or three guys here are writing the same false shit about the Kronos but they get completely mad when you mention disadvantages of the jp80 which are so obvious and everybody can check them out.
Why is it acceptable to you that you CAN'T edit a supernatural synth tone when it's a part of the percussion or solo part? When I prepare my registrations for my gigs, I put the desired livesets in the lower and upper slot, then I put a lead sound into the solo slot, I want to edit a parameter on it, but I can't besides those few offsets! Why is that normal to you? I want to change something on the LFO but I can't because the tone is not editable as part of the solo/perc part. WTF?!
I have tried to use those buttons under the keyboard live. They are completely unusable. That's a crazy and completely unnecessary experiment from Roland. It shows clearly that those engineers at Roland don't perform live on stage. When you play on the keyboard, you don't see the buttons because they are covered by your hand. That's my experience. There is not one single advance in that way of selecting a registration. It prevents you even to use some keyboard stands with angled arms.
So I use my iPad and select the registrations with a set list program which can send program change data.
Now, where the hell is the information about how the jp80 registration structure corresponds to program change???
Registration set 5, Bank C, Slot 7.
What is the corresponding bank/program change number?
Where is the information? You pay 3500 bucks for that keyboard and get a 80 pages manual with the information how to put the keyboard on a stand but not with this essential information if you want to control it by an external device.
BTW, do you guys know that you must not disconnect the usb stick while the keyboard is on!?! How many keyboard do you know where you must not pull out the usb stick while the keyboard is on? How many keyboards are there on the market which don't allow for hot swapping?
When you make a backup, you can't load single registrations from the backup. But when you save a couple of registrations as a file, you are able to do so. That's a new feature for the 1.1 OS update. Now, why didn't Roland put a "select all registrations" option into that function? Do I really have to check every single registration from 1 to 256 to save all of them as a file on the usb stick? Will Roland ever create a file system that makes sense and that is user oriented?
Roland has released the 2.0 OS. Did they say which registrations or tones/livesets, whatever they have changed? Is there a list anywhere?
Now they have released an ipad editor for the supernatural synth engine! What is it good for? I don't get it. I have both, the jp80 and the ipad and the editor. Why is it limited just to editing the SN synth engine??? What about the rest? What about those who don't have an ipad? Why not a computer editor for everybody? They give you Sonar which is limited just to the Windows OS and now they give you an editor which on the other side is limited just to ipad owners.
Verdict
I highly advice those few kids here to stop trolling about the Kronos and its built quality. It doesn't make the jp80 a better keyboard in any way. You are just happy to be a basic user and therefor you don't step into some of the aforementioned problems because you don't really use the keyboard extensively. Yes, you play it, but you don't program it, you don't gig with it. You sit in front of it at home, you play thru the factory sounds and you wait for some new soundbanks. That's all you do. It's to late for this forum to become a pleasant place where users could help each other, complain, ask, exchange their experience and all that just because two or three idiots can't write one single word without mentioning that keyboard from those japanese company with four letters.
So, RayS, keep on asking everybody about the built quality and you Devnor keep on asking those stupid questions why would anybody need more than 64 or 128 user registrations or why do I need 4000 of them. It's hard to discuss with people who are to dumb to think with their own brain. If there are 2500 user rewritable live set locations, I personally think it's legit to ask why there are just 256 registrations.
