Does it have Supernatural EP?..

> Are you just making this stuff up?

No. Have you worked in the industry? I guess I make this stuff up as much as other people make up stuff about their keyboards.

aron wrote:

> Are you just making this stuff up?

No. Have you worked in the industry? I guess I make this stuff up as much as other people make up stuff about their keyboards.

What does me working in the industry have to do with it?

It just seems that saying that the EPs don't have many editable parameters because too many people probably called up complaining has no basis in reality.

First of all other sounds still have many editable parameters, so why the difference if people were complaining? Were they complaining specifically about the EPs but not the pianos or organs? Second, the one thing users seem to like about past SN EPs is the flexibility in sound design. 700NX users surely aren't complaining on their forums. Also, why wouldn't users just avoid the editing pages if they don't want to deal with editing sounds?

It is odd that Roland decided to remove the editing capabilities of their SN Electric Piano (as found for example in ARX-02, and RD700GX) for the JP-80. I doubt very much that it was a decision based on people complaining of having too many parameters to tweak, maybe it was a question of time and money?..

I don't have a JP-80 (yet), but I was wondering if the different live sets with EP:s somehow represent different EP settings as they could have been tweaked with the ARX-02?

It's amazing the number of people that don't want to edit.A lot of people want an instrument that they just select a sound and play it. These are the type of people that judge instruments based on the presets. Never realizing that maybe an instrument can sample, or has editable parameters.

There are many people like this. For me, I would prefer more parameters, but there are lots of people like the above and they probably outnumber me. Plus they seem to post much more than me.

FWIW, I thought the Jupiter electric pianos sounded fine. I particularly like the organ sounds although there seems to be a debate on that. I like the brass sections as well.

Roland must have just decided that those parameters were not desirable in an instrument where you use it as a performance device. There's a lot of cool stuff they left out on the Jupiter. They must have felt it was not important enough to implement.

aron wrote:

It's amazing the number of people that don't want to edit.A lot of people want an instrument that they just select a sound and play it. These are the type of people that judge instruments based on the presets. Never realizing that maybe an instrument can sample, or has editable parameters.

There are many people like this. For me, I would prefer more parameters, but there are lots of people like the above and they probably outnumber me. Plus they seem to post much more than me.

FWIW, I thought the Jupiter electric pianos sounded fine. I particularly like the organ sounds although there seems to be a debate on that. I like the brass sections as well.

Roland must have just decided that those parameters were not desirable in an instrument where you use it as a performance device. There's a lot of cool stuff they left out on the Jupiter. They must have felt it was not important enough to implement.

You touch on interesting stuff aron. The more I play/use the JP-80, the more of an enigma it comes. What is it?! Is it a synth? - well it's more and different to just that. Is it a performance synth? It's more than and different to just that too.

Yes, I'm thinking some extra parameters would be good. I am one of the ones that like to make my machine my own and create my own sounds (I keep the factory presets I like and change the ones I don't like)... although I have a faithful backup of factory sounds not far away, just in case!

What got me wondering was, I was asked on another forum, to provide soundbites of the electric guitars on the JP-80. Found them (not many at all), then recorded them. However when doing this, I thought - why should it do electric guitars? Is it less of a machine because it doesn't? My answer is no. But for others it will be the deal breaker...

And here is the enigma of the JP-80. It is a highly focussed keyboard. But on what? Being a synth or a performance tool or something else?

It occurred to me it is something else. It turns traditional synth sounds into the expressive qualities of a real acoustic instrument. It's not about replicating - romplers do that much better (with the possible exception of the SN acoustic tones) - it's about creating and making a dynamic instrument in a performance - base on sounds that do not belong to any acoustic instrument (as such).

So therein lies my pleasure with the JP-80. Making a saw tooth or square wave sound into an instrument with expressive factors that make each performance unique, not just a sound that sounds the same no matter how you perform it.

The worst mistake anyone could do with the JP-80 is to judge it for its presets. It is what can be done with it that shows its true potential. Without realising it, this is the keyboard I've been waiting for since the late 80s. Seriously!

cello wrote:

...And here is the enigma of the JP-80. It is a highly focussed keyboard. But on what? Being a synth or a performance tool or something else?

It occurred to me it is something else. It turns traditional synth sounds into the expressive qualities of a real acoustic instrument. It's not about replicating - romplers do that much better (with the possible exception of the SN acoustic tones) - it's about creating and making a dynamic instrument in a performance - base on sounds that do not belong to any acoustic instrument (as such).

So therein lies my pleasure with the JP-80. Making a saw tooth or square wave sound into an instrument with expressive factors that make each performance unique, not just a sound that sounds the same no matter how you perform it.

The worst mistake anyone could do with the JP-80 is to judge it for its presets. It is what can be done with it that shows its true potential. Without realising it, this is the keyboard I've been waiting for since the late 80s. Seriously!

@cello,
Do you mean that JP-80 could be the successor of the performance and expression oriented synth that Roland begun with the V-Synth's AP Synthesis?

Just a thought...
Enjoy your JP-80

Python wrote:

Devnor wrote:

In my own little perfect fairytale world, a supernatural EP (or any other SuperNatural instrument) hold a lot more flexibility than that!

You'll find far more parameters in Kronos EP emulation.
You could find even more parameters on Applied Acoustics Lounge Lizard.

Jupiter 80, with only one parameter ... just forget it if you're looking for EPs.
I misunderstood Roland SuperNatural too, my hopes went down when I played Jupiter 80 EPs.
My ears have turned toward the Nord Stage 2.

If sample based EPs are your thing enjoy the Nord. This thread got me to reading about ARX02. Yes there are more parameters but if it sounded so great, why aren't people talking about it when the conversation turns to Fantom or its' expansion capability?

My feeling is the Jupiter EP isn't finished.

Devnor wrote:

My feeling is the Jupiter EP isn't finished.

I hope you're right about that.

With all the talk about 'Supernatural EP", I decided to purchase the ARX-02 card. For what it is worth, it is very modifiable and a pleasure to play. And, YMMV. CS.