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phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 00:17
is there any way to associate a phrase with a certain studio set? EVERY SINGLE TIME....

it's kinda crazy how you can create a cool phrase only to hear it butchered by another sound/patch that you didn't play it with... and then you have to go find the right studio set....

Can you save a phrase with an certain studio set?

and how do you make the Fantom-G remember the tempo that it was recorded at? or does it just play at whatever the tempo is set at currently?
Can You Touch The Apex

Re: phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 04:24
Phrases are associated with part numbers, not patches or studio sets. The tempo isn't saved in them either.

So no, there's no way to do this, and why would you want to anyway?
If you want to use a phrase in multiple studio sets just change the right channel to the correct patch, takes a second :)

Re: phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 04:33
You could sample the phrase.

Re: phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 08:30
What about embedding program changes at the start of the phrase so that it always pulls those patches it needs to replicate the sounds of your preferred studio set... is that possible / will it work??

Re: phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 08:42
@ Gil

What do you mean why would you want to do this anyway? ....

If I spend time making a phrase that uses a lead synth sound, it's not going to sound good being played as a piano part.

Someone walks into the studio and I'm like, he listen to this nice riff or chord progression, then it starts playing as a drum set (just for example). Then you got to go and find the right studio set, etc.....

spoils the moment if you ask me.
Can You Touch The Apex

Re: phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 10:40
One thing that has always helped me is a standardization of MIDI channel useage.

1 - reserved for live performance
2 - bass
3 - strings or Pads
4 - Piano
5. - Guitar
6 - Synth lines
7 - Brass
8 -Pad 2
9 - Open
10 - Drums
11 - Percussion
12 - Open
13 - Open
14 -Open
15 - Sound Effects
16 - Open

I have this in a chart and I reference it constantly.
I build all my studio sets/song/phrases/rythym Sets to match this standard.

One thing I find that makes the FG hard to operate is that many things can be changed, there are just too many options for just about every feature. Standardizing your workflow and configurations will help bring this under control.

And yes it does spoil the mood when trying to show of your talents and your piano track or phrase starts playing drum sounds. What's work is having drum parts/tracks play melodic lines in a multi-track sequence and not knowing which track is which. I had this happen to me. And yes I find the Fantom G is easy to allow this to happen.

Another suggestion is to start your own convention for labling tracks and naming phrases.

I guess the real tricks is lable everything, take lots of notes and work in a consistant manner. (yeh, like that's easy!)

The solution I've found is to configure things the same and remember to same my projects, and make the defaults match my routine configuration.

Good luck,
Fantom G & X7, Motif XS6, M3, V-synth, JP8000, M1, Wavestation, Radias, Nord Lead 2X, Karma, Snow, electribes and other groove boxes.

Re: phrases and studio set association/tempo question....

20 May 2010, 12:26
Dunno, when I create phrases they're always for the specific live set/studio set/song I'm working on.
I've never needed to use the same phrase in multiple songs, so I haven't run into this problem.
If I want to play a song for someone, I'll load the whole song, I won't play individual phrases out of context :)
However if you do want to do this, maybe you can add a program change command to the phrase using the microscope editor, as bonython suggested.

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