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1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

1 Mar 2010, 01:47
You know, I truly believe the VGT is great, but there's still at least one thing in it I believe needs fixing and there's a few things that I think can do for some very logical upgrading.
Figured the rest of the community might want to chime in on this.
FIX:
1. When slaving to MIDI clock the delays get sloppy and waver in their timing (resulting in frequency/pitch wavering). THIS NEEDS FIXING
2. Numerous of the new tonal effects do not respond correctly (read that as AT ALL) when assigned to being modulated via the D-Beam. THIS NEEDS FIXING.


UPGRADE:
1. The ability to modulate some of the parameters of the tonal effects added in the 2.0 OS was/is great. But why stop there? KEEP PUSHING AND ALLOW FOR THE SAME TO BE DONE WITH THE PRE-2.0 OS effects. =)

2. The original VC-2 Card, The VP-550, and VP-770 all had:
"voice-to-synth converter, which contains an advanced pitch-detection algorithm that enables the modeled vocal sound to follow the pitch of your voice in real time — no keyboard playing required."
This ability was stripped from the VGT, ADD IT BACK!

3. When importing patches, be it through the VGT Librarian or VGT directly, it's very easy to end up with numerous instances of the same samples being loaded into memory (taking up precious space.) AT LEAST in the case of the LIbrarian, have some sort of simple check done on sample names and sizes. If multiple cases occur of a sample having the same name and same size, it's probably the same sample....a simple question posed to users after such checks on "Are these samples the same?" with a subsequent bounce down to only loading\utilizing\referencing one of the sample instances if the answer is yes would be GREAT!

4. If the assignments for the 8 assignable knobs could be saved on a patch per patch basis rather then a global set basis, that would be EXCELLENT.

And as for me, that is all I have to suggest.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

1 Mar 2010, 06:59
Yes, the V-Synth is a great synth, and I thank Roland (almost) every day for it. I dare to say that it is perhaps the most creative tool I never owned for 20 years I'm in the business of musical creation.

But we didn't had any news from Roland since the release of the 2.0 version of the V-Synth GT software (which was a tremendous upgrade !), and I believe that the V-Synth line may be discontinued. I hope so much that I'm wrong, but I've developed that gut feeling that the market is now on the software instrument side :'(

If anybody at Roland reads this (fingers crossed), perhaps a last update for what is one of your most beautiful creation along with the JP-8 and the D-50 (yeah I know, I'm a true V-Synth enthusiast) to thank your faithful V-Synth customers ;-)

Nothing fancy, at least correct the delays T-FX when the clock is MIDI-sync'ed, and perhaps could you add an option that allows the upper and lower tones to receive on two separate MIDI channels ?

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

1 Mar 2010, 12:03
@vox
IMHO I think the 1st should be fixed because it is a rough BUG, but honestly, I don't think the 2nd will be done, as it has to do with the V-Synth internal structure and (maybe) hardware too.

I personally own a V-Synth XT, that has no MIDI Synch problems and where any of the 16 available Parts could be assigned to any of the 16 channels (great win over the GT), and the only thing that I miss is...a second one. So I can simulate a GT (kind of) or have a V-Synth and a D-50 alongside :-)
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

1 Mar 2010, 12:53
Or a third one for the vocal designer ;)

But you're right, the MIDI sync'ed delays bug shall be corrected before anything else.

I envy your 16 parts ! I don't know why such a difference between the XT and the GT, I guess that the "module spirit" of the XT imply that peoples would use it as a MIDI expander and that the GT is more performance-oriented. Don't know.

I don't know well the XT since I only read the user manual once a year ago when pondering between the GT and the XT, but do you get a FX for each part or are the parts simply routed to different zones in the patch for example ?

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

2 Mar 2010, 05:44
@Vox Roland was never able to really fully implement "true" multi-timbrality in a completely typical manner on the V's.
Hence, for example, on the original V's if timbrality were used to stack patches on the same channel, they shared all the same controls. If they were not on the same channel, no control for the patches outside the part 1 channel was offered without either external control, our an external mean of re-routing control from part 1 to the desired part.

Another BIG difference (IMO) was that the original V's often times would begin suffering issues if numerous tweaks were made to patch programming while actively playing the patch at the same time. (this issue does not exist in any form on the GT)

I've also heard that poly performance is highly improved on the GT, though I've never had the chance to A/B the originals to the GT in this regard.

There's other differences between the GT and dual stacked original/XT or original/XT running same channel layers, but I believe they've been covered elsewhere in the forum previously. (so I won't bother expounding further)

oh, and of one last note, NO, the original V's DID NOT get an FX per part, all parts shared the same Tone FX\Reverb\Chorus regardless of being zoned or split in multi-timbral fashion.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

2 Mar 2010, 07:39
I think the original V could handle around 4 tracks if You use it in multitimbral/multizone mode and with the direct out You have exactly 4 outs as well.
So if You have a mixer its not a big problem to assign 4 MFXs to the tracks independently (for.ex on my 01v).
Btw the original V has also the OS2 revision and still got some bugs as well the GT.
I agree with the non-continual support, seems to be things working like this way nowadays, which is sad enough...
Actually we have to live with the limits, or at least trying to figure it out some solutions.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

4 Mar 2010, 07:31
I'd really happy if they only fixed the delay/midi bug. its REALLY annoying...

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

24 Mar 2010, 01:00
dear Roland gods.....let there be an announcement at musik messe

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

5 May 2010, 21:32
I got one...

replace the AP synthesis with the D-50.

How nice would it be to bring up the D-50/VC-1 as "Tone" or Oscillator...

Update that!

JS
Jim Stout
www.jimstout.tv

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

12 May 2010, 08:00
I ve been tried it with a Korg Wavestation SR.
Running wavesequencing on osc1 and variphrase on osc2 is an amazing combination
:)

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

12 May 2010, 13:32
I question if one more update will roll out, granted I still hope one does.
but man oh man, outside of bug fixing, and certain things I think are beyond obvious in "should have already been done" (like allowing more tone fx to have at least some paramaters assigned to manual modulation sources)

If the sample start location/position could be assigned to manual modulation sources or tone sequences that would be golden.

ROLAND DO NOT ABANDON THIS THING AND LEAVE IT IN AN INCOMPLETE STATE!

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

15 May 2010, 03:09
i dream of multitimbral on my v synth gt,come on roland that would be great even at least two parts

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

24 Jun 2010, 17:35
Well, as best as I can tell, the VGT is being left an incomplete beast.
MIDI sync of LFOs will be left to wobble and remain only relatively in sync.
Modulating ToneFX paramaters (for those ToneFX that offer up such) via manual modulations shall be left inoperable (despite the ability to assign them).
ToneFX parameters that do not offer any assignable modulations shall be left barren.

New features, perhaps like being able to modulate (in real time) the sample/grain start index/position will never happen.

I'd love to think that Roland would at least repair the small amount of bugs left standing, but it appears that's not in the cards.
Another NAMM passes.....would have been great to hear that Roland had rolled out at least one final OS upgrade that simply repaired the bugs if nothing else.

Re: 1 More GT Upgrade....PLEASE!!!!

25 Jun 2010, 06:57
Like Jim suggested, I want the D-50 option too! : (

But, I like AP-Synthesis too, since my attempt at learning a flute didn't quite turn out too well.

Is it just me, or is the GT keybed really noisy? I remember, I loved the keybed when I first got it, but I can't stand the noise anymore. I got a Cakewalk A-800 Pro and the keybed is super silent!

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