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I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 17:31
I have a music producer who has heard my original music, some of my R&B stuff (not available on my MySpace). He has worked with Madonna and Michael Jackson in the past, but has decided to return to the game. There is an investor working with him. One of their new artists is a girl who my mother gave voice lessons to, to refine her singing. I had written a song for this girl a year or two ago, to a backing track she sent me. She loved what I put to it, and has since seen that I write anything, and do it well.

When this oportunity came to her, she immediately recommended me to them, both as a writer and as an artist. They are working on the foundations of putting together an album for this girl, and they want me to submit songs for it.

PROBLEM:

Yes, I love the features and versatility of the G, and that I c an produce decent demos on it, but I bought it for the integration of Audio tracks, knowing I could use it to produce demos completely internally if I needed to.

Well...

After losing songs I have written on it, like 3 to 5 times now, and losing DAYS of work because of it, I am rethinking it all. I am especially upset that I may lose this opportunity.

The lack of an undo feature I have dealt with.
Realizing that 32mb of memory could not even hold a single sample of any value, I upgraded to 512mb RAM. But of course, you can't save to RAM.

Now I have lost the first song I just wrote for her, and worked all through last night on. I explained in a previous post that the Fantom didn't seem to like my PNY USB Flash Drive, because it wouldn't save Audio to it. Even though the INFO screen on the G said that I had this memory available, it would give me the dreaded "Memory Full" message.

FINALLY, I decided that I could survive this for now, since it WAS saving MIDI, just not audio. Fine, I decided. The time consuming part is the music, not the vocals. So, as long as I could save my MIDI work, I could always record the vocals to RAM, record into a DAW and yes, turn off the G and then lose the Vocals, but fine, I could just re-record the vocals if needed, in the future, without wasting too much time.

WELL...

Now it wouldn't even save the MIDI, and froze up on me.

I lost at least 6 hours of work, and I am quicly about to lose this opportunity.

WHAT TO DO?

Buy a new USB flash? Sure, but I am beginning to think my G is possessed. Maybe there really is Roland Voodoo after all?

I don't have the money right now, to keep buying USB drives that won't work. Although, they are dirt cheap right now in low gig amounts. 1 and 2 gig drives can be had for $8.00 to $10.00 US. So, I may buy a few cheap ones and try them, just to get through this opportunity before I lose it.

ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS:

Can't I just save to my computer somehow? It is a HUGE hard drive effectively. I haven't seen anyone talking about this, other than using the computer to transfer files, or Editor to edit patches, etc... Can the computer be plugged into the USB memory port on the G, rather than through the normal USB computer port on the G?

If saving directly to computer is not possible, why not? If this is the case, then I am about to flip to Cyclops et al, side. I expect to have to upgrade RAM, this is a common business trick to make the company additional revenue, or at least save production costs. Everyone does it. I expect it.

But to FORCE me to save to a portable USB drive, and then not have ANY generic USB Drive work properly? This is unacceptable. There should be a HUGE warning posted in the manual or any publicity documents if this is the case. Losing days of work for all the various problems and learning curves, makes the value of the board decline considerably in my eyes. To the point that I am about to give up.

WHAT ABOUT SD?

I assume this is not possible, but would an SD card in a USB flash adapter work? I have tons of 4gb and 2gb SD cards, and several USB adapters/converters to use them in things that don't have SD slots.

WHAT ABOUT AN EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE?

I also have a 250gb external stand-alone hard drive that runs from USB. Can it be formatted somehow for the Fat32 required, without the use of a computer? Can I save to this hard-drive as an option?

So to recap:

1) Is there a way to save Audio tracks and samples to my laptop as opposed to USB flash drive?

2) Would an SD card in a USB adapter/converter work?

3) Would an external hard-drive using USB work?


btw... There is a chance that one of my songs "September" could be recorded by Tim McGraw. You can hear it on my MySpace. By sheer coincidence, a family member knows his producer, who also works with Faith Hill. This family member lives in Nashville, so I don't see her for years at a time, and she had NO IDEA that I was a good songwriter and performer, and she happened across a video I made for the song, and fell in lovbe with it. She had my mother's number and called her to ask my permission to shop it to Tim McGraw's producer.

I share this to say, that I have been VERY excited about the opportunities beginning to come my way, but as a successful uncle once taught me as a child...

"Opportunities will always come eventually, but those who are successful, are READY when they do."

I have used this as a powerful maxim to the bands I have formed, to push them into excellence and work hard, as if we were ALREADY successful, so that when the time came, we would be READY for the opportunities we created or happened into.

But sadly...

I AM NOT READY!!!

Yet, the opportunities are coming NOW!

Please help!



Craig Maxim

Southern Mischief ™

http://www.myspace.com/southernmischiefband
Craig Maxim
http://www.myspace.com/craigmaxim

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 18:02
1. Make sure you have the latest OS
2. Get a compatible USB thumb drive.
3. Make a new project that you save on the USB stick.
4. Work. (test the system is working before losing hours of work)

For faster workflow I would suggest you to record vocals and other audio tracks in logic/cubase or whatever you favorite DAW sequencer is.

Remember to make backups.

Of course, If you have a Madonna / Michael Jackson budget, I am willing to fly first class from europe to where ever you are located and help out as long as you pay me madonna / michael jackson style too.
Jesse J / The Fantom G Facebook group - Please join!

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 18:46

1. Make sure you have the latest OS
I have 1.20 already

2. Get a compatible USB thumb drive.
As I said, can't afford to keep buying flash drives just to test them.

3. Make a new project that you save on the USB stick.

Speaking of this... I've been using the new FGConnects project as a main project to work from. I suppose I should save it internally, and then I could record my MIDI tracks that way for now, until I can afford to get something like the Sony MicroVault 8gb that Cyclops recommended. And just bypass the USB altogether for now.
4. Work. (test the system is working before losing hours of work)
Well, I sort of did that with the PNY flash drive. It WAS saving MIDI, just not Audio. But now, it froze up on MIDI.

Of course, If you have a Madonna / Michael Jackson budget, I am willing to fly first class from europe to where ever you are located and help out as long as you pay me madonna / michael jackson style too.
First class too?

Damn, you're expensive. ;-)


Can I then, assume by ommission, that it is NOT possible then, to have the computer function as the USB drive for saving samples?



Craig Maxim

Southern Mischief ™

http://www.myspace.com/southernmischiefband
Craig Maxim
http://www.myspace.com/craigmaxim

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 18:50
There is a thread with discussion on compatible USB drives.

Don't try to figure out new strange ways to do stuff, just follow the instructions and you will be fine. Just first up save your project on a compatible USB drive and then use save song. no MIDI or other stuff.. just save song.. then save next song.. then next song. Save song will save everything you need.. and you really only need one project for your one project.
Jesse J / The Fantom G Facebook group - Please join!

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 19:25
better yet, why not just save the actual audio onto CDR as backup every so often if your USB flash is unreliable?

sometimes i just have the recorder on the entire session cause i may come up with something out of the blue that i want to use.

kinda like your skipback sampling but runs completely in the background. :)

at least you have the audio, you can figure out wat you did.
good luck with your project! :)

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 20:05
good luck with your project! :)



Thanks Kenchan!

I think I'm gonna get the Kingston Data Traveller 100 - 4gb for now, cause Jesse uses that one reliably, and it's cheap. But the data speeds (well, on the 2gb version) are not very good, according to this review:

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=529&pageid=13

Nevertheless, they say it is reliable. Good enough for me for now. It can be had at Office Depot here, for like 15 bucks.

I am thinking about upgrading to something like that Sony MicroVault though, maybe next week or so. Maybe Cyclops can share whether he finds it's transfer speeds to be fast?

Thanks for everyone's help.

I'm still really curious whether there is some way to use the computer itself to save samples to directly?


Craig Maxim

Southern Mischief ™

http://www.myspace.com/southernmischiefband
Craig Maxim
http://www.myspace.com/craigmaxim

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 22:28
CraigMaxim,

You can't use the computer as a USB thumb Drive, as we are talking about two complementary USB type ports.

What I mean is: There are two types of USB connections, the Host (like the Computers, Fantom G, etc) and Device (USB Flash Drive, External USB Hard Disk, Printers, etc).

In the Fantom's G example, it has 3 USB connectors, 2x TO Device connectors (Fantom is a host here) and 1x TO HOST (Fantom is a Device in this case).

1x TO HOST Port:
This port is used to hook up the fantom to the computer, for Data transfer and MIDI and AUDIO streaming.

2x TO DEVICE Ports:
- 1 of them is dedicated for the Mouse
- The last one is for the USB Flash Drive

Two questions for the G owners:

- What is the maximum ammount of RAM connected to the memory Port that can be "read" by the Fantom G ?

- Did anyone try to hook up an external HD to the Memory Port ?

PauloF
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

16 May 2009, 22:54
- Did anyone try to hook up an external HD to the Memory
Port ?



Thanks Paulo!

So, since you asked this question, we still don't know if an external hard-drive is an option, correct?

But the computer as hard drive is no good.

Seems like an external hard-drive wouldn't work, if saving to a computer wouldn't work.

But you would think there should be a way to save to the computer directly? We have two softwares from Roland, that are used to interact with the computer directly, Librarian and Editor, and you would think it would be natural to also have the samples saving be integrated with the computer as well? But obviously this is not possible I suppose.

On a side note...

I forgot that I had a 2gb Kingston traveller flash drive I had used for something else awhile back.

I found it a few minutes ago and tried it out.

I formatted it. Loaded the FGConnects Project onto it, and then loaded it into the G.

I recorded some vocals and saved as CRAIG SAMPLE to see whether it saved audio for me.

The "save song" went through ok, and my understanding is that SAVE SONG saves all related phrases and samples that the song requires.

Then tried to save the Project to insure that everything worked on the Kingston.

My new sample was only 4mb long, just a test. And the save started going through, then paused forever at 99% but I waited, and it did go through.

I checked the memory and confirmed that the flash USB went from 1.72gb available to 1.71 so it did actually save it to the USB.

I chose SAVE AS to save the project, and this way asks you to name the project. I started to name it FGConnects, using the same name as the original, but got scared it wouldn't actually overwrite the old FGC project and would freeze up or something, so I saved as the name Fantom assigned at first FGProject001 or something like that, knowing that you are allowed to have multiple projects on the same USB drive.

It took forever, but went through, with both Projects: FGConnects and now FGProject001 being on the same Flash drive.

So I guess I am starting to be happy again. :-)

BUT THIS GIVES ME NEW QUESTIONS:

1) If I chose SAVE rather than SAVE AS, would this save to internal memory? Or does it save it to wherever it got the project from originally, even if it was on the USB? I would think it saves back to wherever it got it, since it doesn't allow a name to be chosen, and on one of Dan's videos, when he was saving his FGConnects to Internal memory, he used SAVE AS. Which would make me think the SAVE function saves it back to where you got it. Can someone clarify this?

2) If I choose SAVE AS, it asks for a name. What would happen if you typed in the same name as another Project on the USB flash drive? You would expect it to overwrite the new project over the old one, but not being a full-fledged computer, it doesn't give a warning message like a computer "Do you want to continue?" type of thing, warning you, that you are about to overwrite the original file with the new one. Can someone enlighten me on this also?

Thanks for the help!



Craig Maxim

Southern Mischief ™

http://www.myspace.com/southernmischiefband
Craig Maxim
http://www.myspace.com/craigmaxim

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

17 May 2009, 02:25
- Maximum RAM capacity is 1GB, provided that the Fantom-G is updated to version 1.20.
- I've read people here have tried small hard disks with the Fantom-G, it would access them, load the projects, but could not save anything to them. I think we'll have compatibility with hard disks eventually, but a USB stick will do for me just fine for now. My current stick is an 8GByte one, so I have pretty much the room I need.

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

17 May 2009, 03:19
for touting yourself as this awesome songwriter, i didn't really hear anything but generic while slightly annoying on the myspace page, if all of what you say is true then you must just have connections. considering you can't afford a flash drive costing more than $10 i'm not a believer...

put yourself on the same level as everyone else on this forum and i think people will be more happy to help you.

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17 May 2009, 04:22
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Keep in mind that when you are audio 'recording'... there is no permanent recording but only a temporary sample in RAM, which is lost if power is turned off or Fantom crashes.

On a true DAW, once you make a recording.. it's there saved in hard drive...

You should do all audio recording/editing work on a DAW.. either on a computer, or other hard disk audio reocrders.... Use Fantom-G only to 'port' that audio for live performances...
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Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

17 May 2009, 10:53
Caleb,

Wow! Where is this coming from? I have only commented on my abilities once here, saying that I wrote "well" which means adequate, sufficient or good.

I've said that one thing about myself, but complimented other's music here at least 5 times or more. How am I elevating myself above anyone?

As to being poor, America's economy is in the toilet right now. I have been a proefessional entertainer, on and off, for decades, but NOT a professional songwriter, meaning being paid for it. I have always kept my music for my own projects, and only in the last several months have decided to pursue a songwriting career, despite being asked to license my songs to established artists, over the years. This Fantom G was not cheap, neither was the new laptop I had to purchase last week, when mine fried. So yes, in this economy, $40 is alot more than $10 bucks right now. It is embarasssing enough to admit that publicly, but gee, did I have to be trashed for not having money right now?

And the songs posted on MySpace revolve around the Southern Rock genre, which was my former band's genre, until they tried to screw me over, and FORCE me to sign a contract giving them half ownership of ALL the songs I have written, even the ones I wrote 15 and 20 years ago, though they never wrote a single lyric or melody for ANY of them. But as for me personally, I both enjoy and write, in many genres, only now though, am I able to get more of it out there. Europe is more advanced musically, than America is, regarding genres. In Europe it's not unusual to see several bands or artists in diverse genres perform in the same concert on the same stage. In America, you get boxed into a category. Booking agents for example, will put you with other bands that are in the same genre. Radio stations for the most part, do the same. Europeans appreciate any music done well, more so than here.

This is why I said previously that the Fantom G may be saving my musical career right now, because after rejecting this strong arm tactic to STEAL my music, I have decided to FINALLY, pursue a songwriting career, and not have to worry about all that is involved in leading a full band, and doing all the scheduling, marketing, and everything else that goes with it.

I'm sorry you perceived my one comment about myself to be offensive. But I have complimented other artist's music here on these forums at least 5 times or more, and only made one about myself, so I dont really understand, how that elevates me above everyone else.

And as for help, even the ones I have argued with here, over being civil in the forums, have been VERY helpful, and I have been grateful to them, and expressed that gratitude publicly.

Music is pure and also subjective. I have had a life-long love affair with it, and for those that have studied "String Theory" you are aware that possibly even the Universe, The Cosmos itself, is a vast, complex and beautiful "Symphony"!!!

I find that a beautiful idea, and if true, we are all involved in a craft more worthy and important, than possibly even we recognized ourselves!

There is alot of talent here, which is why I have complimented so many here, and taken the time to actually go to their links and listen, and encourage them further, by expressing how much I enjoyed their work.

I'm sorry you misunderstood my comment somehow?

But I wish you Caleb, also, great success in your endeavors!


Craig Maxim

Southern Mischief ™

http://www.myspace.com/southernmischiefband
Craig Maxim
http://www.myspace.com/craigmaxim

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

17 May 2009, 13:41
calebfoster Says:

"for touting yourself as this awesome songwriter, i didn't really hear anything but generic while slightly annoying on the myspace page, if all of what you say is true then you must just have connections. considering you can't afford a flash drive costing more than $10 i'm not a believer...
put yourself on the same level as everyone else on this forum and i think people will be more happy to help you."


Wow! Caleb, you seriously need to calm down here. Craig Maxim never came across as bragging to anybody!
I checked his myspace and actually thought his music was VERY well written and produced even though it's not my style really. Your comment wreaks of jealousy. No need for your attacks on him like that, it's uncalled for.

Re: I'm about to lose a big opportunity...

17 May 2009, 18:04
Caleb,
I was hesitating if I was going to be quiet or not about what you said about CraigMaxim's music and his so called "elevating behaviour", but I was waiting to see Craig's answer first, and he didn't disappoint me. He gave you the best answer, without needing to do it in the same tone.

Like Ikarian said, you seriously need to calm down !!!

We are here (at least I am) to learn ferom the ones that know (and teach also the ones that know less than we do on specific subjects), and we should be focusing on the topics and not enter in this kind of disputes, as they are completely USELESS !!!

Make good music and be happy !!
PauloF

P.S: CraigMaxim, I also visited your Myspace and enjoyed your songs, despite they are not my type of favourite music either, but they are professionally produced and performed.
And that's what is most important, that we do what we like, we do it the best we can, and we enjoy ourselves doing it !!!
Make Music and be Happy !!
PauloF

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