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John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 01:08
when one person gets love, the sweet sound of hating is never far behind...

when I was in college there were always the Jazz heads vs. Pop/ Soul/ Hip Hop heads vs. the classical guys... I've come to regard it all as a moot argument... Do what YOU do and do it WELL... whether it means 15 keyboards (Rick Wakeman) or 1 25 key controller... tchaikovsky or Jay-Z... accounting or music... ok you can do your gig on a Kurz and an RD, you also don't play his gig... Apples to oranges...

Now personally I would be more than happy to play his rig only if I had a tech to set it up every night... since I don't, I try to keep my rig as small as possible...

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 10:06
yeh.....I don't think everybody gets it.

The goal is to have as many keyboards as possible, plugged in and ready to go. It does not matter really what make or model.

MORE IS BETTER, for all music equipment.

The only thing the keeps me from having rigs twice this size is my wife, it not even my pay check, I'd use credit.


The only thing better than an Fantom X or G is two Fantom X's and G's.

Thank for the pic's. I like studying these type of pic's, it gives me ideas on how to configure my equipment.
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14 Nov 2008, 11:00
... give me an acoustic, a microphone and a chair ... and I can rock the house :)!!

But I generally agree ... whatever rocks the house is legal ...

If it was up to me, I wouldnt even carry my Fantom X to gigs ... I would just sample all my sequences (backing-tracks) into my MP3 player, and play it through that ... The keys player in our band (Who's amazing BTW) cannot stand the fact that I sequence most of the backing tracks ... he calls it 'cheating' ... but unfortunately we cannot find 2 conga players, a bassist, a flutist, a vioinist etc. etc., and even if we did, the logistics of getting everyone at once practising for a gig is way too gnarly to mention :).

But Audiences like to see lots of equipment and people playing them ... Yeah ... it's the world we live in :)!

I know a lot of Indian MDs who play backing tracks in their shows, and the instrumentalists are simply finger-syncing, and face-contorting when difficult phrases are being played. They actually practise for months to get the finger-syncing right - Talk about scams ... I am very careful about the Indian/Bollywood shows I go to these days, Id rather pop in a CD and listen to it on my Sony :) if you get my drift.

Frankly this is why I still love the old big-band, jazz and live rock stuff ... and avoid most of the new-age stuff ...

I think Im rambling now ...

Definitely a drool worthy rig though!

;) Manish.
;) Manish

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 13:45
2TIM316

" I think we can do without the name dropping...

"Sometimes, with guys like John Legend, he'll want different sounds ready in case John (or Kanye whom Eugene also plays with)"

I still side with the fact that he could do this with two Fantoms - a G8 and a G6. I tend toward the simple setup. Simple equals elegant.

I won't drop names, but I play a high profile Broadway show with tons of intricate orchestral parts, often two and even three parts at once, all played from one Roland RD-700SX keyboard used as a master keyboard playing a Kurzweil module.

I will say it again, the guy has two hands. Thus he only needs two of the same keyboard - a G8 and a G6. Then add all the other "boutique" 'boards as desired.

BTW, I'm so not impressed with the "MD for whoever" thing. Been there, done that. Can the guy read a Bach Prelude and Fugue from WTC? Read down the Piano/Vocal book to Mary Poppins (the Broadway play - a reputation as one of the hardest books out there)? Yeah, I'm really into pop, funk, and all the rest. It's my first love. But let's face it, the tunes these guys do are about as basic and simplistic as it gets. Could this guy get the gig with George Duke?

Of course this all makes sense now. This is part of a marketing strategy to create a magazine article designed to sell Roland Keyboards. They've been doing this since there was a Roland. I still have some of the vintage RUGs from the early and mid 1980s. The only question is whether Roland has changed their policy about endorsements and free or discounted gear. They used to have a strict policy - no endorsees or free or discounted gear. I always thought that was kind of cool. I have a feeling this guy was given at least a couple of these keyboards. I have no problem with this. But it would be nice to know. "



Hey Tim

Its not so much a thing about name dropping when you consider the amount of emails and personal PM's we get from the average hobbyist keyboard player asking " which artists or players are currently using the Fantom G on the road ". Although you may find it tacky personally , someone else may find it insightful or informative. No biggi but just thought i would comment on that.

Eugene is a very talented player with a very extensive musical backround and just because he plays for certain R&B or Hip Hop artists does not make him any less of a player that CAN read Bach , Mary Poppins or Ancient Alien Musical scores from outter space.

True alot of the mainstream music is simple and basic BUT it sells and it employs alot of talented musicians that im sure would love to play more complex stuff but prefer to have a gig that pays the bills and is not your ordinary boring 9-5 office job.

As far as the pictures and adds and it being an overkill , who cares ? Everything we see everyday on TV is an add , to a BIG majority of people posting on forums like this , trying to sell themselves as musicians or their band or their music or advertising they know how to read Bach and do major Broadway shows. :)

The stage presence is ALWAYS a priority , musicians and directors want it to look cool , so is it overkill maybe to some but there are alot of reasons behind it and if the musician has the means to have extra back up keyboards and added arsenal to be able to improvise new sounds for on-the-fly changes , to ME thats NOT overkill , its called BEING PREPARED which is a very good thing in my book.

I play alot of clubs here in Hollywood and for the most part alot of the spots have the dj boths dialed in , yet i still carry an extra laptop , extra back-up firewire drive of my music , and an extra cdj and extra needles , slipmats , EVERYTHING , is it overkill yes at times and its a hassle bringing that stuff sometimes BUT the few times where i showed up to a club and the CDJ was busted or the Serato box was missing or the needles were busted and the 1 time my firewire drive just took a dirt nap , having the extras SAVED my set and allowed me to still get PAID $$$

This is not a personal attack at all just my thoughts , i love big rig set-ups , they look great and its fun to play when you have all that extra stuff at your hands to improvise with. :)
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Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 15:46
Woah! What's this thread turned into?

Don't we all love big rigs and massive synth collections, be it at a home studio or stage?

I must say that a massive modern rig compared to the vintage rig I posted a pic of is quite different, since the vintage rigs synths were mostly monosynths without presets.. so specially live you needed many synths, basically one synth per 'preset' per song. :)

Fortunately that is not the deal anymore.
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Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 21:25
Sorry if this is a little OT, but......

"LONDON (AP) -- Rapper Kanye West was arrested after a fracas outside a nightclub but released without charge, British media reported Friday.

The Press Association news agency and others reported that that the 31-year-old rapper was detained early Friday after an incident involving a photographer outside the Tup Tup Palace bar in Newcastle, northern England.

Police said only that a 31-year-old man had been arrested on suspicion of assault after an incident at a nightclub. They said he was later released without charge. British police do not usually identify suspects who have not been charged.

The Tup Tup Palace said West visited the club after his gig in Newcastle Thursday but could not confirm the arrest.

A spokeswoman for West did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

West was arrested last month at Los Angeles International Airport after he was filmed struggling with a paparazzo. He was not charged.

West is playing dates around Britain as part of his Glow in the Dark tour."

What a great guy. Please Roland, do a full feature on him in an upcoming RUG. Sets a great example for young musicians and young people in general. Wasn't he the guy who said "George Bush doesn't care about black people", and "I don't know whats better gettin laid or gettin paid." Again, what a great guy. Since he sets such a great example for young people, here's a link to the page I found with his quotes:

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/kanye_west/

Let me be even more blunt: Do you think Legend or West would EVER hire a white guy for their MD position, no matter how qualified? If not, then that makes them full-on racist. Are these the people Roland is choosing to associate with in their marketing press?

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 22:13
2TIM316 said,
"Let me be even more blunt: Do you think Legend or West would EVER hire a white guy for their MD position, no matter how qualified? If not, then that makes them full-on racist. Are these the people Roland is choosing to associate with in their marketing press"?

What are you talking about? I'll admit that Mr. West is an egomaniac, but why would anyone hire a MD if they don't fit the bill musically speaking. What the hell does race have to do with any of this? What does this have to do with Eugene and Roland? Sounds like someone else has issues with race.

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

14 Nov 2008, 22:26
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Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 00:03
2TIM316,

At first I thought you were just having a 'bad day'.

Now I'm not sure where you're coming from.
Or maybe I'm quite sure. ... . . . .

I'm baffled why you took this thread in the direction you chose to.
Bassman

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 00:32
Obama becomes President and white guys start using the race card...

hilarious...

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 02:37
actually, kanye said "george bush hates black people". united states is "one people" yet we're still not yet over the "1st black president" (half-black i might add). why isn't he just the 44th president? a little contradictory i must say. not in my lifetime nor my parents lifetime have white people dared use the "race card" against blacks without unwarranted punishment. there is no WET channel on the tube, there is no IVORY magazine in the stands, there is no Jackie Jessin and cohorts ruckusing around with no restraint, affirmative action doesn't work toward whites. please, chicks, like obama being president is going to change anything that will affect race. what is there to do that will raise blacks more than they have already obviously unnoticeably been raised in the united states? i have a feeling blacks outnumber the whites in this forum because you can hold a key on a keyboard and it spits out a premade groove and this happens to be a keyboard forum, haha.


(chicks started it.)

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 03:33
Sorry OP to hijack this thread like this, but...

1. As a well educated African American man with a BA in Music Business and a Masters in Composition, I have played many different types of gigs... pop/ R&B/ Hip Hop gigs at the Waldorf Estoria, Classical gigs at the Kennedy Center, Rome, Russia, Jazz gigs in Japan, and church here at home... i do plenty of studio work also so characterizing African Americans as guys who "can hold a key on a keyboard and it spits out a premade groove," makes you look like the ignorant one...

2. I have played plenty of Pop gigs with with MAJOR, Grammy award winning, artists with corny looking white guys who play the HELL out of their keyboard rigs... I'm not naive enough to think that image has nothing to do with it, but their talent and work ethic had more to do with it...

3. Affirmative Action is for the qualified people who get rejected for jobs, loans, etc. on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, and religion... not for the unqualified...

4. Obama changes things because it is now a reality that ANYONE (African American, Latino, Female, Muslim, Jewish) can be the leader of the US... Its not just about race, its about all the things America laid out in our Constitution becoming a reality... After 265 years of Slavery, another 100 years of Jim Crow, and 30 years of the racism i've seen in my own life, PLEASE don't act like the white man has rescued us and "raised" black people in this nation... we were raised from the incredible depths that our fore fathers plunged us into to begin with... I also don't believe Bush hates Black people, but he definitely put his unqualified college buddy as the head FEMA which in turn made Katrina the disaster it was... I made my comment about Obama and white people and the race card because these are 2 things that I've never seen happen before...

5. "Let me be even more blunt: Do you think Legend or West would EVER hire a white guy for their MD position, no matter how qualified?"

And Tim, before John Legend reduced the keyboardists to just Eugene Roberts and changed the drummer, there was a white guy playing keyboards and another white guy from Switzerland (Swiss Chris) playing drums with him... don't say ignorant ish without fact checking first...

Didnt try to start anything, but I'll damn sure finish it...

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 03:53
and caleb, take time to compare BET, TV One, Jet, and Ebony to ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, CNN, Life, Time, the Wall Street Journal, InStyle, Vogue, GQ, MTV, Viacom, ESPN, TBS, TNT, Fox, SI, and the Robb Report and see what you come up with...

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 05:07
why did you just list to me a bunch of media that is well balanced as far as race goes? not to mention the UK one you mentioned and the MTV you mentioned in which displays much black. never heard of the robb report. SI? wow, you need to recheck your list it's makin me laugh. i go to school every day and walk past 2 big screen tvs in which i kid you not at least 30 blacks are watching both tv sets one on MTV and one on BET. i kid you not. everyday. whether or not those media are perfectly balanced or not is beside the point. the point is that they don't only pertain to one race published by one race and then gloat about it as do the ones i mentioned. you can try as hard as you want to list your media for whatever reasons you want to but make sure you thank 90-100% of them for getting your half black president into office because let's face it that is why obama will be president. i watched the coverage. now, go to bet.com and count how many white people you see. go to cnn.com and count how many black people you see. i just did and am happy with my results. don't bring up slavery as it has nothing to do with you. if you do, i will bring up my white grandpa's past. ballpark but honest figure, 8/10 blacks i see in guitar center or the other local music stores here are at the keyboards holding a note. that's well above the 2/10 whites i see doing the same and that's pushing it. hey, i call it like i see it, not how i hear others say it or how i want it to be. you can get rid of your martin king speech, "plunged", "raised", "incredible depths", whatever man, makes no sense. i'm glad you're arguing though instead of the typical people that are scared of any type of race talking especially when others will read it. everybody is racist to a point no matter how hard you try not to be or think you aren't, it's basic psychology you learned in college mr. well-educated african american.

Re: John Legend / Eugene Roberts Rig

15 Nov 2008, 05:46
Correct me if I´m wrong, but this is a Roland Forum, right?

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