Track assignment?

Amen on that.

I would also like to amen that as well. I have had serious questions about my G. Some were due to my own misgivings and ignorance, but some were a Roland problem. My concern is that after a person reads all of the ridiculous questions, he or she will be too frustrated or angry to answer legitimate problems. Not that this person is not legitimate, but come on, after people take their valuable time to try to help you, and you STILL argue, it starts treading into the land of nonsense! I make my living with the G, and this forum is a valuable tool in my understanding of things that manuals just don't touch. Let's not screw it up by being critical, and unreasonable.
firstlovedan

Amen!

I want what I want. I know you guys seem to be happy with this unfinished workstation...but what I am asking isn't too much especially if every other workstation works in a similar fashion.

I want all the Fantom G's tracks to be defaulted to OFF. When I go to track 1, I want to select whether I want an AUDIO or MIDI track. So if I want to record a drum sequence using a drum kit, I would simply set the track to MIDI. Next, if I wanted to record some vocals on track 2, I would simply set the track to AUDIO. This is a very basic feature.

Also...the Fantom doesn't really have audio tracks. They are more like Continuous Sample tracks on an MPC 2500. The only difference is that with an MPC, you can set any track to a continuous sample tracks (aka Fantom G audio track) or a MIDI track.

Well you can want all that jahrome, but it is never going to happen. You know why? Because that all is very basic, as you said, and the Fantom G is not vary basic, it is sophisticated. So either you learn the sophisticated stuff, or then you have to go back using an basic machine, like the MPC or MV.

Also that audio track thing you said... That's just stupid. What is the difference between an audio track and an sample? You can tell me, because last time I looked they are the same things. PCM waves. You want tape inside the Fantom G?

I understand you want what you want, but youre not going to get that request on the G from Roland. It is incredibly straightforward and easy to get from a midi track to an audio track or sample track or whatever you want to call it and reorder them to your liking. it only takes 3-5 seconds at the most. if you want anything that takes more than that, youre just plain lazy.

and by the way what other hardware workstation sequencer has the ability to freely change an audio track to a midi track?

i agree that the horizontal bar is an issue though. if youre going to put it there, it should work. but while some things between the sequencer and sampler need improvement, that aint one of them.

youre alone on this one...

It really doesn't matter if I am alone on this one. I am not here seeking a consensus.

What I want:

1. TRACK 1 TYPE: (OFF, MIDI, or AUDIO)

Simple and very easy for Roland to add. It is silly to have to scroll pass 24 audio tracks to get to the 17th MIDI track when Roland can implement what I wrote above. I want a more streamlined OS.

With the Motif, a track is automatically created depending on which recording method you choose...either MIDI or AUDIO. An MPC 2500 workstation has the ability to let you assign any track as a MIDI or AUDIO track. There is no need to scroll pass a bunch of empty audio tracks to get to a MIDI track. It doesn't matter if it takes 3 seconds to do this. A streamlined OS will provide this function.

Again, as I write this, I am sitting next to a Fantom G and an MPC 5000. There is nothing "sophisticated" about the Fantom Gs sequencer. It is primitive.

As far as audio track and sampling....the Fantom allows you to record a sample which it then assigns to an audio track. But you can't do the sort of things that you find on multitrack audio recorders. Give me a scissors tool where I can slice/dice audio from the sequencer edit menu....let me delete different slices....let me resize the recorded audio.

In fact...I want to take my request to another level. I want a function where the Fantom can render a MIDI track to audio (a sample). That way I can free up my parts since I only have 16 internal ones to play with (unless I purchase the two ARX cards).

>In fact...I want to take my request to another level. I want a function where the Fantom can render a MIDI track to audio (a sample).

Press 'Sampling' button and resample. You can do it there, but a 'render to audio' shortcut (solo+resample+import) like you said would be great for the MIDI channels.

We all want scissors and solo buttons, all the regular sequencer stuff for the G, you are not alone on that one bro!

There is nothing "sophisticated" about the Fantom Gs sequencer. It is primitive.

Sigh...

I am fully aware of the re-sampling function. What I am talking about is a feature like the one in Cubase (I believe..) where you can render MIDI tracks to audio.

And if everyone wanted all the regular sequencer stuff...this thread wouldn't be filled with responses indicating I don't need the TRACK ASSIGNMENT function...

Why am I getting under the impression that everyone in this forum is comparing the Fantom-G capabilities with the ones you only achieve with a computer?
That's not necessarily a bad thing... as you would expect it to be compared to a similar product (korg, yamaha, ...)

Seems like when you choose a cell phone that everyone wants do have: camera, internet, video player, mp3 mplayer, DOES BEERS... and then you place it in your pocket and use it only to pick up and make calls

I do most of my work (although with humble needs :]) in my PC and then configure the keyboard to play live with the less configuration possible between presets, and to me it seems like the F-G will fit!

Regards,
LL

jahrome

Ive been there matey, you give good points about something that needs to be fixed and you get shot down for it.
My solution - Got rid, (Fantom S) got another brand machine.
Whats really sad is that every little complaint should be tackled and corrected so they have a stronger product. If you grew up with a particular brand you are more likey to go back to it, unless they really piss you off. Its called brand loyalty. Once its gone, someone else gets it. Every time someone takes one back in disgust, they are less likey to buy another Roland. Once a customer sees your name and thinks "piss taker", theres no telling how many potential sales of their other products and furture products will be effected. When you step into a studio and the staff say they would only use a fantom for dance stuff, straight away that tells me;
1. Lots of synth like techno stuff inside.
2. F@@king shit for realistic instruments.

Secret Roland Agent

Do you think they could install a toilet that comes out when you push a designated pad?
Once I had to run off stage in the middle of a concert and every one noticed where I was going ... so if I had this functionality I could do it on stage (like Zappa, but in a mode civilized manner)
An optional mic on the toilet would give me the chance to produce some alternative sounds [without phantom power though you never know what can happen with 48 volts near your balls ]

Whats really sad is that every little complaint should be tackled and corrected so they have a stronger product.

Funny you say that because up to now, concerning THIS subject ONLY 1 PERSON thinks that the track assignement should be changed. So according to YOU, to satisfy jahrome, ALL others should think like him. Get real.

When you step into a studio and the staff say they would only use a fantom for dance stuff, straight away that tells me;
1. Lots of synth like techno stuff inside.
2. F@@king shit for realistic instruments.

LOLLOLOLLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, and BTW please use s**t instead of "shit" in on your posts please

V-CeeOh
Sorry about the "S" word.