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Normalizing Performances

Normalizing Performances

19 Apr 2007, 06:41
Hi All,

Still fairly new to the X-6 but I have managed to get 6 songs completed. I now want to have them all loaded at the same time so I can easily move from 1 to the next without loading.

The most important thing is that I want be sure that the output level of all the songs is the same as the X-6 will be unmanned(word?) throughout the live show. Can I normalize all the tracks together to get a steady output?

I know I could have mixed better but with playing styles varying it is hard to keep mixer levels constant.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Normalizing Performances

20 Apr 2007, 11:11
"Normalizing", at least as we know it in audio editors, do not exist in the Fantom unless you RESAMPLE (meaning getting ALL your tracks into audio tracks) all your songs. If you want to get the right voulme balance between songs you might have to re-mix everything. But before that you may want to take a look at the Mastering Effect section if you haven't do so.

Also, the best way to switch songs is using the Live Setting Play mode. Press SHIFT+ENTER to edit and/or SHIFT+PIANO MODE to play.

Re: Normalizing Performances

20 Apr 2007, 12:19
VCeeOh is right about the live setting ... I use it too ...

I'm actually going through this situation myself ... the only other suggestion is using the assignable knob to control output ... it seems to be able to control the overall volume more incrementally than the main volume knob ...

This is how I mix a song ...

RECORD song ...

determine which tracks or sections of tracks contain unadvisable volume changes (Most of my Fantom songs have dynamic volume changes throughout .... )

under ERASE seclection in TRACK EDIT ... erase the CCs for a certain track or perhaps jsut a section.

Now you can go back and record it at the right level ...

Repeat ... repeat ... repeat ...

The reason I use differing volume levels is to fade instruments in and out to create a more dynamic sound ... as well as mask sounds on certain key(s) that I only want to sound at certain points in the song ...

I just wish more parameters were recorable ... but I can tell there's quite a bit of CC data in my songs now ... they take several seconds to save vs. almost instantly with very little CC info ...

Good luck ...

What the Fantom needs is a master volume control that can be recorded into the sequencer ...

Because some of my songs in my 23-minute performance (with synchronized video) are very loud ... others are much quieter ...



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Normalizing Performances

20 Apr 2007, 19:40
Diametro,

Shift>F3 brings up a Master Level 'popup' that records into the sequencer, if that's what you are looking for.

Bassman
Bassman

Re: Normalizing Performances

21 Apr 2007, 00:39
Bassman,

Yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm looking for ... But I can't get it to record into the sequencer ... Is there something that needs to be checked or activated? ...

. . . .

BTW, I never thanked you fo your suggestion regarding that whole menu not being able to jump from the top to the bottom issue ... if you can remember ... and you said use the jog wheel and yes, it is much faster ...

Sorry if that isn't clear ...



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Normalizing Performances

21 Apr 2007, 11:19
bump ... waiting for the b-man's reply ...



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Normalizing Performances

21 Apr 2007, 12:43
Hello Diametro,

Glad to have helped out with the jog wheel suggestion. . .

As for the Master Volume recording, I'll outline what I do. Apologies if you know some of this already.

1. Got to Menu>System>Midi and make sure 'Transmit Edit Data' is 'ON'.

2. Choose a Track to record the data to (Mix mode). Any Track will do because the Sysex data will affect the entire song. The data also will not affect any notes, etc., already recorded on the Track.

3. Give yourself enough of a count-in to have time to hit 'Record', close the window, do the 'Shift-F3' thing.

4. Fade the Song as you wish, the data will be recorded (or should be). I use the Jog wheel for this.

5. Be sure to set the Master Volume back to where you want before beginning another Song or action. What I do Is add a bar at the front of the Song, set the tempo to a very slow value in order to have time to begin recording, do a Shift-F3, and record the Master Volume back up to max value. That way, I don't scratch my head when I don't hear anything when I play the Song! I then put the Tempo back at original value.

Give it a go and see what you get. . . . . . .

Bassman
Bassman

Re: Normalizing Performances

23 Apr 2007, 15:42
ANYONE ELSE HAD SuCESS WITH THIS?

I didn't.


Followed all your instructions, Bassman, but the master level automatic just isn't getting recorded into the sequencer.

ANYONE ELSE HAD SuCCESS WITH THIS?



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Normalizing Performances

24 Apr 2007, 11:37
D,

I must admit that I'm a bit baffled why this isn't working for you. I use it all of the time, until I come up with a creative ending for the tune!

Perhaps it's time for a Factory Reset and then retry the operation?

Bassman
Bassman

Re: Normalizing Performances

24 Apr 2007, 12:12
Hmmm .... Thanks for your help, Bassman ... Perhaps the Reset is the only option left ... however, everything else is fine ...

....

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SUCCESS WITH THIS?

Could, perhaps, someone else give this a try? It should take all of 30 seconds ...



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Normalizing Performances

24 Apr 2007, 16:52
You're kidding me?

Bassman is the only one who uses this feature?



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

Re: Normalizing Performances

25 Apr 2007, 02:03
OK.

EUREKA!

Your instructions, Bassman, were good ... except you left out that RECEIVE EXCLUSIVE under the MIDI menua needs to be set to ON ... I had it off ...

Thanks again ... this is going to help ALOT ...



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron
Some tunes and whatnot ...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=405125



some tunes and whatnot ...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=405125

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