hints for the potentially emerging new roland workstation...

you sure like to disagree mojkarma, and you know that's bad karma.

we can discuss competent software "desingers" when your software driven hardware is released.

I am sorry if I am somewhat satisfied with the current Fantom G7 I own, but barring poka's and waltz's, it seems to work ok. It plays well, sounds good and tends to be of a good value compared to the other keyboards I've purchased. I feel I've been able to get my money's worth out of it, even though I'll always want more.

And I think your wrong, I've made no emotional connection to any of my tools. My emotion comes from the product I produce (the music) with these tools, and the enjoyment I get from learning to use them in creative ways.

Atlas5,
I disagree where I disagree. It's just my opinion.
I'm also satisfied with the Fantom G (more or less) and there is no need to be sorry for that.
I responded to the part where you said that the keyboard was released premature. My opinion is that the hardware is OK, but it's the software inside it what we all are discussing about for about 2 years!
When it comes to emotional connection, you may call it however you want, but satisfaction with an instrument creates an emotional connection. Regardless of the fact that its just a tool.
I used the words "incompetent". One can call it ambition, whatever. Fact is, that the programmers didn't work out the features and functions in the best possible way.
A couple of examples:

How on earth can it happen, that they forgot to program the tempo to be saved with every single patch/live/studio setup from the beginning? Ok, they corrected it thru an os update later, but how can this happen on the release model? This is an extremely important feature for anybody who uses sequences, arpeggios, rps, bpm based effects live!

When you use the mouse for naming stuff, why doesn't the virtual keyboard show all characters?

If I can set the keyrange in a live setup by holding shift and press a key, why can't I use that function to set the keyranges while editing a patch?

Why are there separate program up/down and favorite up/down functions for a controller. I can use a switch pedal either for program up/down or for the favorite up/down. Not for both at the same time.

They programmed a great new feature for pitch bending the guitars, but in 20 years they didn't solve the problem on how to trigger properly the rotary slow/fast with the joystick (like on Korg) when you play organ patches! They still reuse the old patches and controller settings and the user is supposed to hold the joystick if he wants to have the fast rotary speed. How on earth can I play organ if my left hand has to hold the joystick all the time? Am I the only one getting upset about this?

Those are a couple of examples where I consider that the programmers doesn't have competence to do it right or the ambition to make the best out of the product they are working out.
It doesn't render the product useless, but it requires unnecessary work on the user side to handle all this flaws. Not to mention all other stuff we were talking about for more than 2 years now.

mokkarma: "They programmed a great new feature for pitch bending the guitars, but in 20 years they didn't solve the problem on how to trigger properly the rotary slow/fast with the joystick (like on Korg) when you play organ patches! They still reuse the old patches and controller settings and the user is supposed to hold the joystick if he wants to have the fast rotary speed. How on earth can I play organ if my left hand has to hold the joystick all the time? Am I the only one getting upset about this?"


On that specific point, I think you can do the same thing by adjusting the first control knob instead of using the joystick. It has a default modulation effect assigned to it for each preset patch, just as you would find assigned to the modulation wheel on most other synths. In the case of organ patches, it's generally a rotary speed effect that's assigned to the control knob.

I have to admit that this annoyed me a great deal for a while and I still prefer the separate modulation and pitch bend wheels provided on non-Roland synths.

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No problem pal,
I already control the rotary with an expression pedal.
It's about the principle. If I have to reroute the controller for every single organ patch, to be able to use it, it means that something is programmed deeply wrong.
That's what I'm talking about. They just put something there without asking themselves if that does make a sense, being completely ignorant, and we the users have to seek for workarounds.
I'm talking about a bread and butter sound category, not about some esoteric, rarely used instrument.

If you hate your workstation so much, why don't you get rid of it?

But beware, they all have short coming.

have a good time.

Atlas5,
I'm not really in the mood to discuss about things at that childish level. If you're religious about your tools, that's your problem, not mine. I don't hate my workstation, I hate some bad solutions on that workstation and I never said that its bad as a whole.
But I get really upset by such comments like yours. If I disturb your heavenly perfect picture about the FG, just don't read my posts.

sorry dude, it just seems your mojo has bad karma.

sorry if I centered my attention on you. I will stop (after this)

your mood is your problem, not mine,

I will continue to read your posts. Good luck and keep on playing!

(Oh, and my picture aint so pretty!)

Why on Earth has the discussion degenerated into personal feuds, Korg Kronos paraphernalia and G issues / drawbacks, that's beyond me.

I merely pointed out to a piece of gear (cannot be called an instrument when it's more of a prototype) which has NOTHING in common with either Fantom G, Korg Kronos or even Openlabs Neko.

OMG-1 is a blend between software UI and hardware SYNTH (and also got the controlling power of a synth knobs and dials, linked to control a software instrument through) , if you didn't figured it by now you're beyond hope. I'm not interested to continue this discussion because it's obvious you're not prepared for this future.

Maybe you will impose another future, with little engineer hands grabbing knobs and twisting them according to digits instead of physically interacting (and feeling) a true instrument.
The electronic workstation has ripen out to the point of becoming as close to a true, real, physical instrument as indistinguishable from the "real thing". When this happens, there are the PLAYERS that are blessed, not the toy-twisters, not the engineers.