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Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

6 May 2008, 06:27
Due to the phrase- instead of track- based approach the sequencer lacks the following features in addition to those apparent FaX->FaG lackings which are dealt with in this thread. So this is a wish list emerging from the fact that the sequencer moved from track- to phrase- based.

1) Phrase Bracketing (i.e. grouping)
Ability to group phrases and then do operations on them like moving or altering the volume etc.

2) Phrase Merging
Ability to merge multiple phrases into one.
(This feature *might* be obsolete if 1) gets implemented)

3) Phrase Extracting
On my good ole X6 I was able to split my freshly recorded track in to multiple tracks, channel-wise. It was a no-brainer for the sequencer because of the channeltrack i affiliation as to where to put the split data. Now it is different. New phrases (as opposed to already existant tracks) need to get created and placed in this process. I think Rolands programmers knew it would turn the whole song into chaos when simply putting the (arbitrarily named) resulting phrases somewhere (like f.e. the beginning) in the song.
Solution: As to phrase naming there is no quick solution as it would be neccessary to have a different naming convention for those. As to phrase placing there is one: Honor the visual Track(here used as channel)/Measure-Matrix and place the new born phrases accordingly. The
feature could be reasonably easy implemented and the result would be a no-brainer for those having migrated from FaS/X to FaG. They would pick up the results from places they expect them to be. The supermega cool thing would be, if (1) would have been implemented and the source phrase would become the bracket of the resulting phrase
.

3) Phrase Splitting
We (at least I) need the ability to split up phrases measure-wise.

Re: Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

6 May 2008, 14:24
I agree with your points. It's too easy to mistakenly record multiple instruments or should I say, channels in 1 phrase with no possibility to split them into individual phrases.

I would also like the phrase to be autonamed (or maybe make an option to autoname them). For example: If I'm recording a phrase on channel 5, the phrase could take the name of the patch that is selected at channel 5 at that time.

When a phrase with multiple channels is split, the naming could take the name of the only channel the resulting phrase(s) now contains.

Naming phrases with the mouse and on-screen keyboard is fine, but It's not *that* easy that when you record a lot of phrases at a time you want to click in a run of names.

If we at least had a phrase split function, then we could copy a certain channel of a phrase to the end of that phrase and split it there. But extracting would be better.

The only workaround we have now is to duplicate a phrase (not copy!!) and then selectively erasing (a) certain channel(s). That seems a bit cumbersome.

It would also help if we where able to switch tracks during recording. You can reorder the tracks while recording, so why not switch them? Or at least an option to say or specify "from now on record into a new phrase plz" So creating phrases on the fly so to say.

Re: Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

7 May 2008, 03:05
Or at least an option to say or specify "from now on record into a new phrase plz" So creating phrases on the fly so to say.


Starting new phrases triggered by pedal or button while recording would indeed be a kewl thing.
I would be grateful for that :)

Re: Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

7 May 2008, 05:19
Yeah, by pedal would be cool. There is already a bunch of handy stuff you can route to the pedals. There should be 60 more pedal inputs! :)

Extracting Events

9 May 2008, 03:14
Do you know if it is possible to extract events (Like Certain Notes) into a different track? I use this often on my Motif to extract say a single snare to track 11 so that I can change the sound, efx, or maybe even double the snare part. There seems to be no way to do this.
Thanks for any input.
Blessings,
Firstlovedan

Re: Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

9 May 2008, 04:08
yesterday, I wanted to extract the bass part from a midifile.
I didn't find an extract function so I made the opposite :

- import MDF into a phrase
- erase all the channel I don't want (channel by channel)
- save the result into a new phrase.

Very long job if you want to "unmerge" all the tracks

Re: Phrase Bracketing/Merging/Extracting/Splitting

9 May 2008, 06:16
That's the only way for now. But what do you mean with "save the result into a new phrase" ? Don't you mean duplicate phrase?

The way I would go about is
-Import the SMF into a phrase
-Duplicate the phrase x times (x is number of tracks in SMF I want)
-Edit each phrase to erase all channels I don't want in that particular phrase.

It saves importing the smf over and over again.

Plz Roland mAk3 uS n 3xtr4ckt funcTIon!!! :)

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