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Pattern base sequencing ..

Pattern base sequencing ..

9 Feb 2004, 12:14
I've made an 8 bar loop with drums and keys etc..
Now i want to arrange it into a song.
I know you can copy all the tracks in a pattern and then use
pattern call to sequence them.

The problem is I want each pattern to contain slightly differnt versions of the loop. Like and intro/chorus/verse etc..

But how do you mute/delete each track in a pattern? And where do I put the original loop information in the sequence.
It would be amazing if u could keep several variations of your song in memory and then chain them together. Can u do that?

Basically, I wanna do it how an MPC does it by copying your sequences (or patterns in the Fantom) and muting certain tracks, then chaining the together.

Is there a way? It seems to take ages to edit a sequence into a song using this "linear" type sequencer. Since you dont have mouse, it's hard to copy over multiple tracks to different measures. The screen gets really messy and complicated.

So how do u people arrange songs?

Re: Pattern base sequencing ..

9 Feb 2004, 13:16
The simple way to do this is I believe is to

1. copy your tracks to a pattern
2. now edit the tracks, deleting, changing, etc to make your new loop
3. save these tracks to another pattern
4. repeat 2 and 3 till you have all the different patterns you need
5. now clear out the tracks - leaving just the patterns
6. now structure the patterns into a song with pattern call
Loz

Re: Pattern base sequencing ..

9 Feb 2004, 14:28
thanks Lawrence,

the thing is when I come to sequencing the whole thing (i.e. using pattern call) I have to wipe out the original data in the main song. If I then want to make tweeks to the beat etc.. I'm stuffed!!

It seems like you have to do a great deal of planning ahead and know that your patterns are exactly how you want them to be before you use pattern sequence.

I think I'll have to export the song in to Logic/Tools or my MPC to do any really deep editing. Thats a shame (or maybe I'm just lazy!!!)

Re: Pattern base sequencing ..

9 Feb 2004, 14:43
I know exactly what you mean.

One way round it is to save each pattern as a seperate sequence. This might seem wasteful but there is no limit on the number of songs.

So you have all the original tracks for the pattern, with the pattern. If you have some patterns that are just different mixes of the same track data (just some tracks muted for example) then you could keep them in the same song

Then when you want to create your final song, you do a TRACK LOAD - which allows you to copy a pattern or track from another song into the current song.


Another way is to keep the original tracks for each pattern (say they are each 8 bars long) in the sequence, with a gap for each pattern so you can quickly locate them.
Something like this if you can imagine it
Measures - 123456789012345678901234567890123456...
Track 1 - aaaaaaaa bbbbbbbb cccccccc SONG...
Track 2 - aaaaaaaa bbbbbbbb cccccccc SONG..
etc

Then start structuring your song AFTER the pattern data starting at measure 30

You can of course also copy your pattern BACK to the tracks, expand it out into separate tracks (by channel), edit it, then save it back again to the pattern.

There seems several ways round this - none are ideal - and they do require a bit of forthought as you say
Loz

Re: Pattern base sequencing ..

10 Feb 2004, 08:43
and related question,

does it possible to play several patterns within one track at once? when i place two patterns in a track in the same measure, only first (i beleive) one plays back. :( did i miss something?


Peace,
Peace,

saving patterns

15 Feb 2004, 05:22
I read somewhere that one can save patterns and use them in diff songs. How do you save a pattern to the smart card and how do you recall it in a new song?

please guide...

music is forever...
music is forever...

Re: Pattern base sequencing ..

15 Feb 2004, 07:17
Patterns are saved as part of a song.
When you save a song, you can save it to the card.

You can then do a LOAD TRACK, which enables you to load an individual track or pattern from a song, into the current song you have in the sequencer.

Lawrence
Check out my FBJ approved Fantom-S tutorials
http://fantom.wilkesworld.co.uk/
Loz

Re: Pattern base sequencing ..

16 Feb 2004, 06:36
Thanks, Lawrencew.




Peace,
Peace,

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