Fantom-S and Fantom-X

Things that get on my nerves ...

Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 11:00
I love my Fantom S, and after a couple of weeks on it I'm getting to understand it much better. I'm trying to get to the point where my "sound" is in this one machine rather than using ProTools/MPC extra to make other sounds...

Anyway,

A couple of things do my head in a bit.

1) Why cant you just load samples associated with a patch/rhythm automatically? I dont want to load ALL the damn samples! I just want a few samples asscoiated with patches/rythmns I have saved with a song. Am I missing something? Because what Roland have done doesnt make any sense. If you have 128mgs of samples and 32megs of ram loading all samples doesn't make anys sense does it!
There needs to be a way of loading ONLY the samples associated with a song or a patch/rhythm. Its crazy. I choose a patch from my smart card and then spend the next 10 minutes checking all 70 drum sounds individually in the sample list and then loading them! Thats just dumb ....

2) Better organizing of the sample list, like alphabetical or by date added. I'd actually hate to have 1gb worth of samples (a la Fantom X) and have to navigate through it. Maybe a search funtion by letter or something as well...

3) A message that warns you that if you change a patch a sequence template of song, you WILL LOSE any setup you had previously. That pisses me off! Just having a * next to something is not sufficient warning, a message should allow you confirm what your about to do. Maybe a lock could be set/unset that does this.

4) One touch undo button somewhere, I dont know if you can assign one, but I dont want to hit 3 buttons to undo something. My MPC does it in one. Its 2004 dude, intuitive design is king!!

5) It seems like the only way of duplicating a sample or a section of a sample is to use truncate and make sure you dont check the overwrite button. It works but it isnt a very classy solution. Also a copied sample shouldnt take anymore memory if your just changing start/end points etc.. It should just reference the first sample. Auto chop should just create different start/end points for a sample not whole new ones. That would allow u to adjust the start/end points for any sample.

6) Why should the send effects only work if the patch/rhythm is put through the MFX inserts? Sometimes I just want a reverb and dont want to waste an MFX for that sake. Am I missing something here?

7) Play should start record in solo sampling mode. That would allow any vocal/guitar etc.. that you record to be in sync with the correct bar/beats measurements. If your resampling you can get away with using auto trigger, but for solo recording your stuffed...

8) Generate a midi file for auto chop and put it in the sequencer (like recycle). Its not that hard to do Roland !

All these things should be fairly simple to add to the OS. Roland are usually pretty good at extending the life of their machines with OS updates (look at what they did with VS880/1680 series, amazing updates all the time). I see no reason why they cant do these things. These are not major changes, just stuff that will make usuablity alot better, especially the loading sample thing.

Re: Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 11:38
Everything you said would be nice to have. But...

Also #6 - you can set rhythm send to "A" or "PAT" in performance and make it not use one of the MFX units.

Re: Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 11:59
but if you set it to A, you cant use the reverb/chorus sends.
Thats the problem

Re: Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 12:48
Oh yes you can. Go to part 10, hit EDIT and go to Output tab and adjust sends for each key you want.

Re: Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 14:32
OK, I'm gonna try that tonight. The manual is confusing though and it states that only patches/rhythms that are patched through the MFX can use the sends. But when you press edit there (as u rightly point out) settings for MFX > reverb and non MFX > reverb. Maybe invidual sounds can have Sends not connected to an MFX but whole patches/rhythms cant.

Who knows....

Another thing I missed out on my list ..

1) note duration quantize would be nice, and zoom on microscope edit would be great (considering the drum arpergio has it, I cant see why microscope edit doesnt).

And while your here(!)...
I want to chain patterns together to make songs (just like my MPC). Now if I make a 4 bar loop in song mode and copy it to a pattern, how can I get rid of the original data in the song screen so that I just have inserted patterns. Since u can only hold 1 song in memory, it seems a bit messy. How do u and Lawrence manage it???


I hope you lot dont get me wrong about this machine. I think it ranks in my top 4 gear purchases of all time!! (MPC, Pro Tools, TR Rack and now Fantom S!!). It's bloody amazing!

I think if roland can get the pricing right of the X version it could be the next "must have" gear in the hip hop/r'n'b world. I'm just glad I'm one of the early adopters!!

Re: Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 17:18
threesixty, I'm very glad you enjoy the beast. You can hear that I enjoy it too: http://a-man.artemio.net/?p=newmusic :-P

Also, to paste patterns, after copying your stuff from the tracks into patterns, just use TrkEdit->Delete->TRK ALL and then go to Record->StepRecord->Put Ptn or use Create->Pattern Call in microscope. Every time you insert a new pattern you will see where it ends and you can put the next one right there so they play in medley.

Re: Things that get on my nerves ...

28 Jan 2004, 17:40
Regarding point 5): This bugs me too. Why they didn't make patches just use REFERENCES to samples, as opposed to requiring the actual sample data, boggles the mind. If you want two samples with different start points (or differing loop parameters, etc.), you must have TWO copies of the sample in memory? That's just dumb. Oh well...


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